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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    I think I have been confusing someone being formally charged with someone being held for questioning. Shouldn't Zimmerman have been held longer, for questioning? It would be good to know what sort of evidence was taken, and what sort of evidence was not taken when the opportunity was available. Pictures. Blood samples. Has the media even asked what evidence was or wasn't taken? I agree that the media isn't doing a great job. Too much focus on Zimmerman, and Martin, and not enough basic information on what the process is, and not enough questions and answers regarding whether or not the process has been followed properly.

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    This is nothing new for the police and will ALL come out in the end/court.

    90% of the media is anti-gun and has no interest in reporting all the facts.

    90% of the media backs the liberal democrats and slants the truth in their favor.

    You'll see....
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    What is to stop police from not taking sufficient evidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David in OR View Post
    Don't the cops often not arrest initially and then go ahead with their investigation? That seems like a good way to go in shootings that don't seem obviously criminal. Justice proceeds without the inevitable consequences of an arrest that may not be necessary.

    I dunno what happened in this case, re the internal workings of the local agency and whatever evidence they had to hand.
    The only police procedures that I am familiar with are in my city of Chicago, other municipalities may differ. The police may hold a person of interest, suspect, or accomplice for 24 hours for questioning/investigation. After 24 hours, the person(s) must be either charged or released. However, any suspects can be interviewed at a later date (by means of appointment) and formally charged at any time that the investigative offices (ie: DA's office) believes there is enough evidence to prosecute the case.

    In violent crimes the police may arrest immediately even if the evidence is somewhat lacking. It would then be up to the DA's office to determine if the case will be prosecuted pending collection of more evidence. If the evidence is lacking, they will release the suspect without any compensation for hardships incurred.

    I would also like to note that in most metropolitan areas, the investigative services are "owned" by the DA's office even though they are part of the police force. Once again, it is the responsibility of the police to enforce the laws, not interpret them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    What is to stop police from not taking sufficient evidence?
    Sometimes sufficient evidence is taken, but it takes significant time to interpret the evidence. Short staffing, budget control, warrants and other items can lead to significant time delays. Also, don't believe all the "CSI" type shows when they can get a DNA test in an hour.

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    Thanks Bedlam and Ryan.
    Without knowing all the facts, this case brings to mind the old adage the the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    I am torn between whether people should let this simmer down or whether people should keep the pressure on. The State of Florida needs some time and space to do their work, even if they have been deliberately messing up. I think simmer is the operative word. We don't want it to boil over, but the people need to keep some heat on.

    It will be interesting to see how this interferes with the election, or perhaps more aptly, how the election interferes with justice. They say it is better to have ten innocent men go free than to have one wrongfully convicted. We must also ask whether it is better to have 10 hoodlums get away than to have an innocent teenager killed. Wouldn't want to be Zimmerman, but I wouldn't want to be Trayton Martin either, or his family.

    I suppose there has to be a balance between law enforcement and wrongful convictions and accidental shootings. People need to be able to protect themselves, and their property, and not leave it all up to the police, but I have to wonder if that was not what young Trayton Martin was trying to do.

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    ANTI-GUN bloomberg blames gun laws.

    You don't hear him talking about the young girl from Oklahoma who protected herslf and her 3 month old baby???

    http://www.cityandstateny.com/mayor-...lame-gun-laws/
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    Anti-gun advocates using this to push for more gun control:

    http://godfatherpolitics.com/4407/an...omment-page-7/
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    I would like to hear more facts....

    Maybe this was a test run to see what Zimmerman would do?

    Did Martin know Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch dog?

    Did Martin wear the hoodie to see if he would get a reaction from Zimmerman?

    If so, it didn't work out as intended....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    but I have to wonder if that was not what young Trayton Martin was trying to do.
    Which "young" Martin?

    The 12 year old (photo) the media wants you to see?

    Or the 17 year old Martin the media doesn't want you to see???

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...155103512.html

    BTW, Why did this community have a need for a neighborhood watch dog in the first place???

    I'm not placing blame on anyone....

    The last thing a law-abiding firearm owner wants to see is a situation like this.

    BUT....I sure have a LOT of questions I would like to ask if I was an attorney involved in this case???

    And will say it once again the liberal anti-gun media that slants the truth is a BIG problem in this country.

    And people who do not read between the lines through their lies are very mislead.
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    The 17 year old.

    Don`t get me wrong, under different circumstances I would pay to see such a fight, and I would likely bet on slim.
    He was still a kid.

    Not saying all 17 year olds are kids, but this doesn`t seem like a stereotypical hoodlum to me.

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