Free Speech, Part II
There is now an undercurrent of a threatened boycott of Kifaru because the message board is not censored. I have been threatened with personal and professional ruin, as well as physical injury, for moderating this MB in a way that does not suit the speech fascists.
And don't be confused: this is exactly that. The Speech Fascists are a lynch mob, intended to lynch Tim Sundles and anyone who won't grab a rope with them. The fact that he is allowed to post on the Kifaru MB infuriates them, despite the fact that he's challenged by others who don't share his views. Banning speech makes nothing go away.
Apparently, unless we disagree by banning him from the MB, shooting him with a 30-06, and feeding him to the wolves, we won't satisfy the Speech Fascists. As if they'd ever be satisfied.
And the fact that we won't let a lynch mob develop on this MB also infuriates them. Patrick Smith pays for this MB, and allows controversial opinions to be aired out. He simply asks that you follow rules of polite debate, and keep this no worse than PG rated. He doesn't want to edit for content, and wants both sides to be heard.
Here is a recent example. The name has been omitted. If he wants his 15 minutes of fame, it won't be because of me. This email is unedited, except for my last name. Typos and grammatical errors are the author's own:
Referring the problem to your moderator Kevin will not yield results. He is sympathetic to Sundles. According to one person, they sent an email to Kevin stating the possibility of a boycott and his reply was that he didn't care, he wasn't connected to Kifaru or something to that effect.
I also read that the Boycott may extend to Mountainsmith as well.
I really could care less, I just will not buy your products. It's your company and your name that are being linked with the illegal killing of wolves and unless you do something about it, I imagine the word will continue to spread.
The following is what was sent to me, when I inquired about Kifaru products on thebackpacker.com and when I went to the kifaru,net forum there were a lot of nasty remarks about an individual who had evidently called Sundles out. There were particular references to his war record and upon further investigation and correspondence I learned that he is a decorated war hero with several silver stars and purple hearts. Because of that manyveerans are also urging a boycott.
It's a shame to see a valued product name lose it's reputation because of a few individuals, but if it's on your forum, it bears your name. Either you clean your house or you suffer the consequences.
These are Sundles quotes from your message board. Since removed when the wolf shooting incident became public. So the appearence is that they were removed only so they could not be used as evidence. If your moderator says they wern't there, he is a liar. (If I were seven feet talk, I could dunk a basketball.) Do a search on "Sundles" and you will find that your message board is referenced in regard to these posts.
Cleanup of your forum should start with the moderator.
(Moderator's Notes: I'll bet $1000 that if I quit moderating, it won't change a thing. Any takers?)
Here's another stellar example:
The First Amendment does not grant people the right to encourage people to break the law. Since the wolves are protected, Sundles references to shooting them and encouraging others to shoot or poison wolves is not protected by the first Amendment.
For a person to commit such acts is despicable. For a forum that is supposedly about "sport" to allow such material is irresponsible.
I respect your right to run your forums in any way you choose.
However I will join the people who will try to make you understand that what is being allowed to be posted there is a slap in the face to true sportsmen and hunters by making you feel it financially.
It's really a shame that such a respected name in the outdoor community will be linked with Tim Sundles and the anti-wolf fanatics.
In regards to restraint against verbal abuse. If that is your policy, from what I have seen it is being ignored in certain cases. The remarks that were directed towards a person who I do not believe is even a member of your forum were downright shameful. So, I will assume that it is ignorance on your part and not hypocrisy.
Name removed to not give the author 15 undeserved minutes of fame.
Patrick asked me to publish these emails to show what he deals with, and to shine the light of truth on this attempt to squelch debate. The editorial comments are mine, and mine alone.
This message board is here to advance the art of back-country hunting, fishing, and soldiering in a spirit of good fellowship. Some of the best hunters and finest folks in the world post here. If you're new, welcome, learn, and contribute.