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MtGoat
03-05-2007, 12:22 PM
With all of the stuff about aluminum pots below I thought I would look for a relacement set. I was thinking of getting a 2 quart titanium pot figuring that it would handle most of my needs. In doing some searching it looks as if the Evernew from REI is some great stuff and may be at the top of the heap. I also found the MSR stuff, Snowpeak, and Liberty Mountain. Does any one have experience with these brands/kettles. Is the Evernew worth the extra money for the non-stick coating?

I have not really looked at the titanium gear...is it worth the extra $, if so which brand and options should I be looking at/considering?

Thanks
Pat

idaho lad
03-05-2007, 12:42 PM
I've also looked into the titanium route but ended up going the stainless route. Sure stainless is a bit heavier, but the prices of titanium cookware is too high for what you get (this is my opinion).

Some may disagree, but titanium cookware is inferior to aluminum or stainless cookware for heat disribution. As oktec60 stated in another post, cast iron is the king of cookware. Indeed that is true of cast iron, but the weight is beyond sensible for carrying of course. There is a reason a lot of modern woodstoves are still made out of old fashioned cast iron. Its the best for heat dist.

I've worked in the metal business for some time and have contact with metalurgists. They advised that if you want the lightest, go eith TI. If you want better heat distribution with a lower price go alum or stainless.

I'll pass on the Ti as I think it's too pricey for what you get. If I need to lighten up, I'll loose the 20 pounds I need to loose and be a happy camper. For myself this is a more sound approach economically.

Sawtooth
03-05-2007, 12:52 PM
I use an Evernew titanium, no-stick pot. The no-stick is not always "no stick", however it does make cleaning the pot easier than an aluminum pot. And it's quite a bit lighter than steel. The handles aren't top notch, mainly because of the plastic coating (tubing) on the handles tends to come a little loose. I'm about half tempted to cut the handles off mine and just use my bandana for a pot gripper if I need one. Lighter, multi use. The other plan is to replace the titanium lid with heavy duty aluminum foil.

Here's the pot in action...

http://www.hunt101.com/img/401688.JPG

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k112/Sawtooth_1963/HPIM1129.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k112/Sawtooth_1963/100_2071.jpg
Note the burn mark from cooking on my Pocket Rocket.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k112/Sawtooth_1963/MiniHPIM1269.jpg
The Ziploc bowls fit inside the pot...kind of. I then rubber band the whole thing...see below...

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k112/Sawtooth_1963/MiniHPIM1271.jpg

PS: I don't have 20 pounds to lose (no dig there, idaho!). I'll go with Ti on just about everything I can.

Gizzmo
03-05-2007, 01:23 PM
I really like the Open Country Sierra Hard Anodized.

They are not that much heavier than some Ti pots.

Brotzie
03-05-2007, 01:39 PM
Have you considered Duossal (http://www.lechmann.org/en/glossary/duossal.html) hardware? There's quite a write-up here (http://adunk.ozehosting.com/trangia.html). Don't have a particular personal preference myself - mostly ally but a titanium spork - just lobbing you a bit of a curveball. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

idaho lad
03-05-2007, 01:43 PM
Hey Saw,

That spoon on top of your pot (cookware), what is it made out of. TI? I have one that looks just like it but is made from ultra light plastic. It's good enough and extremely light, and the spatulla and spoon cost under $2 at wally world. If it breaks I'll just buy another. Yours looks like nice utensil and is probably a bit more than two Washingtons.

Also. As all the gear I see you post is very light, how does your new Necker fit in with respect to size-weight ratio? Is the sheath light enough for you as well? When you get some exp with it I would be curious about how it fits in with you and the rest of your Ti light products.

Brotzie
03-05-2007, 01:51 PM
Sawtooth's 'spoon' looks suspiciously like my Snowpeak titanium spork (http://www.snowpeak.com/gears/sct004.htm)

idaho lad
03-05-2007, 02:52 PM
Spork! Cool word. I see why it's called that.

Sawtooth
03-05-2007, 03:50 PM
Indeed, it is a Snowpeak Ti spork. Yes, a bit more than two Washingtons. I think it was about $8. I had it a couple of years and then they came out with a FOLDING Ti spork, at about $15, I think. Darn. I spend a good amount of time eating out of my pack each year, but I really don't think I'll live long enough to wear out my spork!

I just walked back in the house from a 1 1/2 hour fast hike, and I contemplated taking the Necker. Next time it goes with me. So far I've worn it around the house and shop and I like it. It won't wear paracord on the handle...adds too much weight and it'll balance differently. I'll post a review in a few months, after it's cleaned a few trout and hopefully a turkey. Stay tuned!

Thanks, idaho. I'll surely put it through its paces.

MtGoat
03-05-2007, 05:27 PM
A review I read compared the Snowpeak product to the Evernew. The Evernew boiled water in about 1/2 the time. They surmised that the larger surface area of the bottom of the pot and the black finish helped to transfer heat better. They then used a silver Evernew and a black one and the black one boiled faster again. The $99 for a set is a bit tough to swallow. I was told that Ti has gone up 600% over the last 3 years so the pricing may be raising yet.

Pat

Sawtooth
03-05-2007, 06:06 PM
MtGoat,

Regarding the high cost of a set...

I don't know your style of backpacking, and whether or not you travel solo most of the time. For me, ONE pot is ALL I need. I've whittled my backpacking kitchen down to:

.9L Evernew titanium pot
Snowpeak titanium spork
One Ziploc plastic bowl with lid
One Ziploc plastic bowl without lid

That's it. The whole thing might weigh around 8 oz. MAX. Probably not that much.

With that in mind, the cost of ONE pot is much less than buying a set. You can get the .9L pot from REI for $49. Yes, that's higher than I paid three years ago, but it's about half what the set costs. Food for thought.

http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductD...vcat=REI_SEARCH (http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000& productId=47920364&parent_category_rn=6525426&vcat =REI_SEARCH)

Ed C
03-05-2007, 06:25 PM
Ti uncoated it's worth it. Get the MSR. Saw is always getting the wrong stuff /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif Spork is good though.

Sawtooth
03-05-2007, 06:39 PM
Ed C,

Ha, ha. Truthfully, the only reason I settled on the Evernew is because that's the only pot that size that my local (50 miles) REI store sold. But I've been using it all this time and really no complaints other than the ones I listed above. It's the first non-MSR pot I've had in two decades of ultralight backpacking. Before that I used MSR stainless steel, and back before THAT I just stole my mom's smallest saucepan from the kitchen and headed out. We still laugh about that.

Woods Walker
03-05-2007, 09:03 PM
I use a MSR Ti kettle. A Ti Spork. A Snowpeak Ti cup and an Evernew Ti fry pan. I wish the Evernew didn't come with the coating, as it does not work. Sometime if packing in with another person I will take a snow peak Ti bowl. I also have a USGI mess kit and some USGI Stainless cups.

In storage with my ER stuff I have a snowpeak trek 900. I got it for a gift.

http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores...mberId=12500226 (http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=25014817&memberId=1250022 6)

The fry pan/lid combo with the 900 is too small but it makes a nice bowl or cup. The MSR Ti kettle is the best kettle I have ever used for camp. I still crack out the old USGI fry fan and prefer that to my Evernew, as it is much easier to clean. However when keeping the pack weight down it is hard to beat Ti. I avoid plastic, as it seems to get greasy and stays that way in the cold. I tend to boil my cookware clean and this is a no go with plastic.

Evernew Ti fry pan and Snowpeak spork. The Ti bowl is on the ground.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/smallstove4.jpg

MSR Kettle. The fry pan can be seen too and a trusty old USGI stainless cup. My lost Chapstick that would have been worth it's weight in gold can be seen in the photo.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/4mantrip6.jpg

USGI fry pan being boiled clean. One good thing about a wood stove is I can do this. I would not waste fuel if using another stove type.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/smallstove1.jpg


Snowpeak Kettle with fry pan lid and spork from my ER gear. I think it is the trek 900.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/100_3628.jpg

I don't have any photos of my 1.2 oz Ti cup however here is a link:

http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/stovedetail.cfm/SN3000

It holds 10 oz and is just right for a cup of tea or coffee from the larger kettle as often the Kettle stays too hot too long. The small cup cools faster and it too can be put on the stove for a warming.

Mark G
03-06-2007, 05:48 AM
I have a 3-piece snow peak ti set, and a REI ti spork. You can't beat the ti stuff for being light. I figure you carry it longer than you use it anyway, but it seems to be good stuff. I think I have 42 bucks total in this set & spork.
http://images.rei.com/media/660003Prd.jpg
http://images.rei.com/media/529451.jpg

MtGoat
03-06-2007, 05:59 AM
Here is one test that I found.
http://www.backpacking.net/stoves-pots-comparison.html
I am still looking for a test between a stainless pot and a Ti pot to see what kind of difference there really is. It may make sense to go Stainless if you have to carry additional fuel for your stove or Ti if you are packing a heavier Kifaru stove but will be using native fuels (the weight differential may not be as bad as first thought due to not having to carry the fuel canisters and boiling time may not be as big of an issue if you have alot of native fuel).

Oops..forgot...the Ti spork would be nice but I would think nylon gear would be better if using the Evernew with the coating to not scratch the coating (there again you have the weight differential to evaluate again).

Pat

idaho lad
03-06-2007, 12:55 PM
Spork. I just can't get over that word.

JasonB
03-06-2007, 04:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: idaho lad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spork. I just can't get over that word. </div></div>

Is Foon better? /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

idaho lad
03-06-2007, 05:30 PM
FOON!!!!!!

It just keeps getting better!!!

I can't remember where I put my SPORK and FOON because I've cooked with aluminum too long.

Sawtooth
03-06-2007, 05:42 PM
My 18-month-old calls it a "foon". Hmmm.

thewolverine
03-08-2007, 10:22 PM
TAD GEAR Titanium Folding Spork- I love mine too!
http://www.tadgear.com/edged%20tools/tad_gear_titanium_folding_spork.htm
I bought a few and the price went down. Guys at work started coveting them.

JasonB
03-10-2007, 06:40 PM
Foon, (http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=39171529&amp;memberId=1250022 6&amp;storeId=226&amp;catalogId=40000000226&amp;langId=-1) it's not just a slurred word anymore /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif