Thoughts on Sonic broadheads?

[Ken]

I'm curious about these broadheads and there supposed good flight characteristics.

http://www.americanbroadhead.com/

Anyone used them?

Anyone care to comment on there worthyness for whitetails out of a 45 lb recurve?

What heads do you people use? (other than the one on your shoulders... /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif )

I've been looking at Magnus Stingers and Wensel Woodsman's as well, but the length of those heads makes me nervous.

[Kevin]

I like a 3 blade head. However, this one looks wide enough that you may have penetration issues from a 45 lb bow.

The Wensel Woodsman will shoot clean through a wild hog from a 45 lb Martin. We know that from experience.

I shoot the Snuffers from a 53 lb bow. They're easy to sharpen, as is the Wensel.

YMMV. I'll bet some more experienced bowhunters here will prefer 2 blades with your bow.

[Ken]

...Thats kinda what I'm thinking, but the great flight claims are interesting.

[Kevin]

If your bow and arrow are matched properly, and the broadheads straight, you'll not have problems with flight.

The majority of problems occur with the hypersensitive rigs shooting knitting needles for arrows at extremely high speed. You're shooting a recurve,so you're not going to have the same problems.

[Ken]

Are you using glue on or screw in?

[Kevin]

Screw in

[Ken]

Do you find that most spin true with the screw-in's? I'd guess it's easier to adjust the glue on's, hence my question.

[Kevin]

I've never had a problem with the screw ins. While they're easy to correct, never had any that wasn't straight.

Now, my experience with screw ins is with Snuffers and Thunderheads, primarily. For any other head, I'm not qualified to make comments on this topic.

[Ken]

How does one correct a screw in head in a carbon shaft? Heat the head, then adjust?

[Kevin]

Bingo, it's easier than it sounds. You can use your little torch, or your ministove. The torch is preferred.

Actually, I'd use a scrap aluminum shaft. Plenty of those at most archery ranges.

[falcon]

Good advice on using the scrap alum. arrow. It's hard on carbons, getting them hot.

You can get great flight from all the quality heads. In regards to the Sonic and the WW's, I was told that the length to width is important. The longer head has a mechanical advantage. I can't explain it, but it was described as kinda like the difference between pushing a cleaver into something as compared to pushing a fillet knife into the same. Make sense?

I will second the Woodsman's as a head that will do the trick. Two blade heads like the Zwickey and Magnus are proven killers and a good match to lower weight bows. Better get some of everything! Good luck, Glynn

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Ken

I am probably the most "anal", analytical schmo around! I am very passionate about archery and primarily traditional archery. I have literally experimented with most broadheads commercially available. For what it is worth I have shot them all through freshly harvested shoulders from cattle from a relatives butcher shop. The results were alarming. Most heads explode on contact with bone. Resulting in instant energy loss, ....no penetration. If you have the chance get your hands on the Ashby African game study and read it. It is really the only one of its kind. Every bowhunter should read it.

Also I have been around lots of harvested deer taken with lighter tackle. The wensel will penetrate and fly like no other. but needs to be glued up on an adapter. Now on a carbon the razorcap will be the equivalent. Both have a 3:1 ratio and great flight characteristics. The rc will also have four different ferrules to change to fine tune your set up and match the FOC you need or desire.

The two blades are also hard to argue with out of a lighter bow. The issue is how true are the tolerances. Especially when glued to an adapter! Try the flitemate adapters. They take alot of the margin away. They can accept weight and make for very good alignment. Hornes archery has started making the stainless scirrocco again. Surgical steel, sharpens well and flys great. Extremely tight tolerances.

Try the razorcaps. Order a few of the ferrules for weight options and I think youll be amazed. I watched my buddy whistle one through a doe with a fifty pound silvertip this season and it was awesome!

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Oh almost forgot! The issue with the length is the amount of time the tissue is riding the edge. For obvious reasons the longer the better. Short fat heads punch through, or try to punch through. Sacrificing cutting and penetration for flight characteristics. Archery like everything has become a lazy mans sport. Buy it today hunt with it tommorrow....!LOL

[Ken]

6.5- Thanks for the tip on the tips! /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

What's the difference between a screw on Wensel and a glue on?

I'll definitely look into the Razorcaps. They sound good with the adjustability. I'd guess you have put them through the wringer already as far a torture testing goes, so I won't even ask!

Thanks again. I appreciate it.

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Ken- the major diff on the wensels is the addition of the weight. Its the same head just with a flimsy tapered adapter glued in. I have shot the razorcap through 55 gal drums, 3/4 pine, and most of all witnessed it on game. I have not taken any yet with it but its just a matter of time! My hunting partner put one through a rib on entrance and out through the leg bone on the exit. Center punched the bone not a glancing blow and it just turned the tip a lil. I filed it off and he put the same one through an eight point days later!

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Ken-PM sent.