View Full Version : Stake out paratipi on frozen ground; Patrick & board

02-27-2005, 03:42 PM
Just returned from an overnight conditioning hike; 7 miles @ 5000'. I had difficulty staking out on some frozen ground with the durapegs. I eventually drove them in about three inches and placed rocks around the sides to help hold the paratipi down.

I have the standard metal moss tent pegs which were left at home but I am wondering what everyone else is using on frozen ground and if any new products have come out?

P.S. Patrick the Paratipi works like a champ and would like to thank you again for the great products you produce.


Dave R.
02-27-2005, 03:55 PM
Scott....use nails, they work great.


02-27-2005, 04:13 PM

What Dave said.

02-27-2005, 05:07 PM

I use the big nails(spikes, yes, they're heavy)you can get at Home Depot, 54 cents each, for my 12 man in the frozen ground and on gravel bars up here.


02-27-2005, 05:25 PM

If you want to save a few onces, use the gutter nails made of aluminum. I have heard that some people have trouble getting them out, but if you have a gerber tool with pliers it is no problem. They are very light and are about 8" long. I really like them for my poncho set up as a tarp shelter. I will be ordering my Paratipi VERY soon and I will be using them with that as well.

Good luck and good hunting...


PA Scott
02-27-2005, 05:55 PM
40 penny nails are what I use setting up on a frozen pond.

02-28-2005, 10:28 AM
Thanks for the ideas. I was not sure if any new products besides the nails were out their. By the way rocks along the tipi helped.
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02-28-2005, 10:36 AM
Scott, haven't tried these yet but was thinking of having a few for a backup plan when I'm normally carrying pegs. Mean time, since we don't get that much snow around here I've been using cheap spikes.

Rusty Hook
02-28-2005, 02:31 PM
Scott, there are some nail type spikes available in general chain sporting goods type stores and war surpluss stores in this area. They are pretty much just a big nail, but have an "L" shaped plastic flange connected that you can slide up and down the nail to hold the tent loops in case you can not drive the spike all the way in. They are heavy but the plastic "L's" can be bought separately and might fit some of the aluminum gutter nails. Good luck, Rusty.

02-28-2005, 04:32 PM
Scott, I am pretty sure I saw The aluminum spikes with plastic flange at the sportsmans warehouse in Spokane. If not I bought some at Tri-state in Moscow.

02-28-2005, 06:23 PM
HHmmmmm.....do those gutter nails bend easily in frozen ground??

Woods Walker
02-28-2005, 06:27 PM
I just got my paratipi and I can't wait to use it. Those Vargo Titanium Nail pegs are great. I use them in the winter all the time to set up tarps. Vargo also makes Shepard’s hook Titanium pegs. Great for non-frozen ground. To drive the Vargo peg home I use the hammer side of my hatchet. With Wetterlings hatchet and Titanium pegs I can drive the darn thing into the side of a glacier.


You are right about the Paratipi. I looked over the one I got and it seems like first-rate work. Looks like it is going to be roomy too. In fact compared to my winter bivy it looks massive.

03-01-2005, 07:31 AM
Thanks for the info. I picked up some nails at Home Depot and will be ordering the vargo titanium spikes when my wife gives me my allowance. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
Thanks Scott

03-01-2005, 11:38 AM
I have never bent the aluminum gutter nails. But I have always driven them with a hammer (back of hatchet head).

They may bend easier when driven with a rock. They can be nearly impossible to get out, especially if they re-freeze in the ground. The trick I use is to drive them in one more hit before pulling them (to unstick/unfreeze them). Then they will pull out with a little twisting.

03-01-2005, 08:35 PM
where do you order the "vargo titanium spikes" I've never seen any. thanks

03-02-2005, 07:37 AM
Do an ebay search. They are in an Ebay store.

03-02-2005, 07:49 AM
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03-02-2005, 08:41 AM
The Vargo titanium nail tent stake can be bought at the Backpacking Light website. (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/vargo_titanium_nail_tent_stake.html)

03-02-2005, 12:09 PM
They're a couple bucks more expensive, but REI (http://www.rei.com/product/47799486.htm?vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC) has the Vargo pegs if that dividend is burning a hole in your pocket.