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Bc9696
06-24-2013, 09:59 AM
I know i want an ultralight for the hammock (10 day BP trips) but I hunt several states and a wide variety of temps and some places are wet. I like down but sweat so it may not be my 1st choice. I might be sleeping in 60 degree weather or 6 degree weather. I don't wanna buy several bags. I am 6' and wide so I need a big bag. The Slick bags look good but are somewhat inflexible for the temps I face. Is there a reasonably priced modular system that doesn't weight a ton? I'm in my 50s and cutting ounces on my bow hunts. Please share your experience and wisdom.
Thanks!!

Pathfinder
06-24-2013, 10:07 AM
Buy either the mil ECWS sleep system or go about $100 cheaper and get the SG version. Three bags in one, You configure what you need according to temp all in one package.

Watch the video here:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/hq-issue-military-style-ecws-sleeping-bag.aspx?a=1157617

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/used-us-military-surplus-3-pc-ecws-sleeping-bag-system.aspx?a=406440

Pathfinder
06-24-2013, 10:10 AM
Buy either the mil ECWS sleep system or go about $100 cheaper and get the SG version. Three bags in one, You configure what you need according to temp all in one package.

Watch the video here:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/hq-issue-military-style-ecws-sleeping-bag.aspx?a=1157617

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/used-us-military-surplus-3-pc-ecws-sleeping-bag-system.aspx?a=406440

Been using mine for about 10 years now & the most temp adjustment I have had to make was sleep on it instead of in it, due to an inaccurate weather forecast.

Bc9696
06-25-2013, 10:53 AM
Buy either the mil ECWS sleep system or go about $100 cheaper and get the SG version. Three bags in one, You configure what you need according to temp all in one package.

Watch the video here:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/hq-issue-military-style-ecws-sleeping-bag.aspx?a=1157617

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/used-us-military-surplus-3-pc-ecws-sleeping-bag-system.aspx?a=406440

In reviewing the comments on the link you provided, it appears this system won't be big enough for me at 6' & 210lbs. Kinda heavy too...wish the Slick bag offered a modular option like this. Anyone else?

MojoSlim
06-26-2013, 05:29 PM
This may not count, since Kifaru no longer sells the system 'New,' but what about the Kifaru Base Bag + Modular Over Bag (MOB).

Here's a link the Military Morons page about the setup: http://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/kifaru/kifaru9.html

Here's one that was posted on the trading post and looks to still be available: www.kifaruforums.net/showthread.php?t=32002

I have this setup, but slightly different values:

Base Bag = 20 Bag
MOB Parts= 40 Upper; 40 Middle; 20 Foot Box

This gives me the option of a +40 Bag all the way down to 0 (minus 0 in the foot box) and everything in between. I have a woobie and packlock clothes, as well. With them all, I'd imagine I could get well below 0F.

Now, this isn't the most viable option, as out of all the products I listed, only the woobie is currently available to purchase. Also, it's not the most affordable. But I think that one may need to compromise on something, especially when the qualities are:

-Light
-Cheap
-Temperature range of 0-60

I'm not sure there are any bags that boast a temp range of 60 or greater. My wife ascribes to the following sleeping bag philosophy and it has worked for her 4 season adventures: She uses a 0 Slick bag + Woobie. She says she can always unzip and vent in warmer weather with a heavy bag, but can't make a thinner bag warmer. So, in the summer, she uses the woobie, shoulder seasons, she uses the 0, but doesn't zip it, and vents as needed. In early and deep winter, she throws the woobie in the 0 and that has kept her warm enough to not discourage her confidence in the system. (as Pathfinder said above, you can just sleep on a heavy sleeping bag in warmer weather.)

We do not hammock camp, however, so I am not sure how this system would work for that sort of camping. So, my suggestion for what Kifaru currently offers is either a 20 or 0 Wide slick bag + a woobie or doobie. That should be able to cover you between minus-0 to 0 with woobie+bag and up to 40+ with just woobie.


Hope that helps. Best Regards,

MojoSlim
06-27-2013, 05:42 PM
Buy either the mil ECWS sleep system or go about $100 cheaper and get the SG version. Three bags in one, You configure what you need according to temp all in one package.

Watch the video here:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/hq-issue-military-style-ecws-sleeping-bag.aspx?a=1157617

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/used-us-military-surplus-3-pc-ecws-sleeping-bag-system.aspx?a=406440

Sale on these here, too - Fair Condition = $55.00: http://www.armygear.net/ag/store/00148.html?id=YPSfRDiL&mv_arg=

robcollins
06-27-2013, 05:57 PM
Sale on these here, too - Fair Condition = $55.00: http://www.armygear.net/ag/store/00148.html?id=YPSfRDiL&mv_arg=

I've got this, I've used the bivy & black down to 20 degrees, I'm 195, 5'10" and didn't feel the least bit cramped, and was able to get dressed inside it. I don't think 2" & 20 lbs will make a difference, I wouldn't describe it in the least as slim cut, plenty of room and modular to boot. For a hammock, depends on how cold you're going, but with the green thrown in, I'd call it built for anything. In a hammock really cold, (20s F) I'd use the green inside the bivy, with the black on top, and sleep in the black. Lot of bang for the buck and modular... The big differences between this and Kifaru are price, weight and ease of drying, I think the gore is less breathable, so wicked cold can cause icing.

Bedlam
06-27-2013, 06:35 PM
I know i want an ultralight for the hammock (10 day BP trips) but I hunt several states and a wide variety of temps and some places are wet. I like down but sweat so it may not be my 1st choice.
Based on this, I would recomend staying away from down bags. Down is great if dry and well taken care of, but as you probably already know, are worthless when wet.


I might be sleeping in 60 degree weather or 6 degree weather. I don't wanna buy several bags. I am 6' and wide so I need a big bag. The Slick bags look good but are somewhat inflexible for the temps I face. Is there a reasonably priced modular system that doesn't weight a ton? I'm in my 50s and cutting ounces on my bow hunts. Please share your experience and wisdom.
Thanks!!

I would recomend a 20 degree wide slick bag and woobie (or doobie) combo. I know you are trying to stay away from multiple bags, but quite frankly that is going to be impossible for the temperature ratings you are looking at and lightweight. A doobie can get most people into the 40's without too much effort and the little bugger packs down small! A 20 slick is a great all around bag and used in conjunction with the woobie (and good pads of course) should be able to get you down in the single digits if your're an average sleeper.

Ryan

Piolet
06-27-2013, 09:04 PM
There are lots of differing "opinions" about Wiggy (the guy) and his products, but before you make a choice, look at all the bags and combinations he has on the Wiggy's website (www.wiggys.com). Read the explanations that go along with his site.

I've been personally using Wiggy's bags in some combination for twenty years, and they've never failed me (either materially, or in terms of meeting temperature expectations). They really are warm when soaking wet, and they do dry very quickly, even in the field. The bags come in a variety of widths and lengths, and temperature combinations. At the moment I think they're even having a sale on some models (and I suspect if you call them directly and ask to speak to Jerry, he'll deal with you on any of them.). I can't imagine you couldn't find something to suit your needs, and I know you'd be satisfied with the quality and performance. (Before someone else chimes in: I will say that Wiggy's bags are perhaps a bit bulkier than some other brands (although they compress well) and some will say they're a bit heavier than others. I personally think the "weight" consideration relates to how they actually perform at a given temperature, vice the "claimed" temperature ratings of some of the "light-weight" products. Good Luck.

Bc9696
06-28-2013, 12:20 AM
There are lots of differing "opinions" about Wiggy (the guy) and his products, but before you make a choice, look at all the bags and combinations he has on the Wiggy's website (www.wiggys.com). Read the explanations that go along with his site.

I've been personally using Wiggy's bags in some combination for twenty years, and they've never failed me (either materially, or in terms of meeting temperature expectations). They really are warm when soaking wet, and they do dry very quickly, even in the field. The bags come in a variety of widths and lengths, and temperature combinations. At the moment I think they're even having a sale on some models (and I suspect if you call them directly and ask to speak to Jerry, he'll deal with you on any of them.). I can't imagine you couldn't find something to suit your needs, and I know you'd be satisfied with the quality and performance. (Before someone else chimes in: I will say that Wiggy's bags are perhaps a bit bulkier than some other brands (although they compress well) and some will say they're a bit heavier than others. I personally think the "weight" consideration relates to how they actually perform at a given temperature, vice the "claimed" temperature ratings of some of the "light-weight" products. Good Luck.

Wade Nelson from hardcoreoutdoor.com said the same thing and he loves his Kifaru gear. Spoke to "Mr. Personality" and just ordered a brand new bag from Wiggys that isn't even on their website yet. It's their new Freedom Shelter Ultralite designed with us hammock guys in mind. It has a center zipper (to make getting in and out easier) and converts to a poncho so you can climb right outta your hammock and make coffee without getting cold. This means I can carry less outer clothing for use when not hunting (cold nights & mornings). It uses Lamilite (a beefier/sturdier version of Climashield) and are available in a wide version for big boys like me. $200. with shipping includes pillow and compression stuff sack. Damn this site is costing me money!!!

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/BC9696/WiggysFreedomShelterUltralite_zpsca10a20a.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/BC9696/WiggysFreedomShelterUltraliteponcho_zpsaad9423b.jp g

And like you said, if I fall into a river or something and my bag gets soaked, I won't have a problem.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YD3wA5Wrcmc

Now I must decide whether to use a Woobie (I have a few but not Kifaru) and/or an Under Quilt/closed foam pad. I have a Z-liner for my hammock. I appreciate all the input everyone! Thank you.

Take-a-knee
06-28-2013, 01:42 PM
Thanks BC, I've been looking for something exactly like that for some time. He basically cloned the Jacks R'Better No Sniveler/Sierra Sniveler it appears. I will be ordering one.

The quintessential hammock sleeping bag is the Feathered Friends Rock Wren. Drawstring foot, center zip. I have one. A quilt, however, saves you about five or six ounces, but to use a quilt under 40F you have to have some puffy (more than just a balacava) insulation on your head, and the best way to do that is to have a hooded vest, IMO. Of course, since Kifaru stopped making theirs, it is a DIY proposition. For down, the JRB Hood is easily attatched to a vest by sewing some Omni tape to the collar of a vest. JRB will give you a piece of omni tape to do this for the asking.

Piolet
06-28-2013, 05:43 PM
Hi BC,
I'm really glad to hear you've found something that will suit your needs and purposes. I'm sure your new Wiggy's bag will perform as expected.

Jerry is a trip, isn't he? I've been buying his stuff (sleeping bags and garments) for years because they're good and perform as advertised. That's in spite of "Mr. Personality!" Although I love his stuff, I'm a "tinkerer" and I've tried forever to offer him suggestions for making modifications to his products. He has bull-headedly resisted all attempts to help him make his good stuff even better. The best I've been able to accomplish is having him custom make one-of-a-kind versions that I've paid for, in order to get the modifications I wanted.

Anyway, all the best and enjoy your new bag. (I'm also a three-season hammock camper, and I can't imagine not using a hammock in the right seasons. I only go to the tipi/stove combo when it's winter and really cold, or in situations where there aren't guaranteed trees, and so forth to hang the hammock.).

Bc9696
06-28-2013, 05:47 PM
I have a modular system (military) from Tennier but it sucks and is heavy. Looking for something that would be an improvement...think i found it (as previously posted).


Buy either the mil ECWS sleep system or go about $100 cheaper and get the SG version. Three bags in one, You configure what you need according to temp all in one package.

Watch the video here:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/hq-issue-military-style-ecws-sleeping-bag.aspx?a=1157617

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/used-us-military-surplus-3-pc-ecws-sleeping-bag-system.aspx?a=406440

lawnboi
08-02-2013, 09:03 PM
You could try a 20deg slick bag, and a woobie.

Over 40 bring the woobie

Under 40 bring the 20deg slick bag

Under 25-30 bring the slick bag and the woobie. Stuff the woobie in the bag.

Light system as well. If you wanted to get even colder you could supplement the woobie with a doobie or even the express versions that could replace your insulation layer.

The woobies are pretty versatile as well. There tough, im not afraid to drag mine around camp, or take it out when glassing or taking a break.

lchavez
08-02-2013, 10:02 PM
Second the woobie and 20 slick. Use the same combo.