View Full Version : .35 WSM preformance?
04-20-2004, 10:08 AM
Patrick, I noticed you listed a .35 WSM option. does this offer more power than the .350 Rem mag?I want everyone to know that I blame both Rugerman and Jimf for this itch for a new rifle. RM because he posted the link re: the .35 Whelen/Whelen improved load data & Jimf because he lured me over to the 24 hour campfire board... Then Barnes decided to make a 225 gr .35 triple shock.... Ok I'll own up, Hi my name is John & I'm a gearaholic.
The reason I want (need) something larger than my .308 is that I will be hunting NC costal black bear this fall. I have pushed through the green jungle of brush down there tracking deer. If I find myself looking for a large wounded black bear in there I want something that would be highly effective!
I am also interested in a gun that would be easy to load down for. I have not had any luck with cast bullets in the .308 yet. If I understand correctly it is more common for a larger caliber to shoot cast bullets well.
BTW I just got the Kifaru Field Chair. It is going to make Turkey hunting better.
All thoughts re: my "need" for a new gun are welcome.
Thanks, 2nd wind
04-20-2004, 09:35 PM
2nd I checked the Barnes web site when you mentioned the .35 triple shock as I have a .350 Rem. and a .35 Whelen Ackley and they show a 225 gr. .338 but no .35 or did I miss something? A good load down bullet if you can find it is the old Rem. 150 gr. .35 Rem. bullet, if anyone knows of any please advise. The .35 WSM should give more velocity than the .350. Short .35 shooters should try and get Speer to make some tungsten core 250 gr. bullets that would be short enough to work well in the short actions.
04-21-2004, 06:29 AM
9.3x62, Midway has them listed as coming soon. If memory serves I think their site said in May.
I may have a chance at a used .35 whelen improved. How well do you like yours? I have not found alot of load data yet... Thanks, 2nd wind
04-21-2004, 06:53 AM
Don't blame me for your defects. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
BTW, I have a nice little Ruger 77 tang safety in .35 Whelen Ackley Improved with dies looking for a home. :p
And did I mention that I also have a Ruger #3 custom built .35 Whelen in scout configuration I might let go too.
04-21-2004, 08:46 AM
2nd wind, et al,
Great topic. I tend to get a little technical when "power" is discussed. To wit, I'll answer by saying the 35WSM delivers the power of a big 35 cal bullet FURTHER than 350Rem Mag/35 Whelen. It's launched faster. My old Speer Manual here on the desk, plus my own experience with 350RM, puts the launch speed of a 250gr. bullet at about 2425fps. The muzzle speed of a handloaded 358 Norma Mag is let's say about 300fps faster than that. I'd interpolate the 35WSM at about 2625fps with the same bullet. 200fps faster than the RM/Whelen. Not bad if you want bullet-opening performance further out. It ALSO means to me you can use a 280gr. projectile (SD of around .312) further, which is very nice indeed to this writer. I haven't studied it,yet,but I'm betting this combo will seriously challenge the .338 Win Mag/250gr. boys. (Make 'em squirm!) Lighter launch platform (short action). Wider bullet. What's not to like?
04-21-2004, 12:18 PM
OK, Let's try to interpolate cost for a cheapscate (me)to get a .35 WSM :
Start with a winchester stainless in something WSM say with a laminated stock... 500.00 or so
Send it to Pacnor for rebarreling 400.00? more?
Custom dies... what? 100.00, more?
Are there feeding problems with these stubby things?
The 1st goal would be best quality for least $. I would really enjoy having a rifle that would shoot cast bullets well. I bet I have 400 lbs of wheel weights melted down into ingots. Thoughts? 2nd wind
04-21-2004, 12:49 PM
Savage 300 WSM, new, blue with Accutrigger. $400
Adams and Bennett barrel, 358 Win from Midway
Rechamber to 350 WSM $cost unknown, but not bad if the smith had the dies.
Go-nogo gauges and Savage barrel wrench $25.
04-21-2004, 05:30 PM
Patrick- Just don't bring up the 310gr .35 Woodleighs to make my .338 jealous! /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
04-21-2004, 07:58 PM
I was wondering if anyone would bring up the even heavier 35's! Thanks. I didn't expect it to be from a .338 guy, though. Are you really jealous?
04-22-2004, 06:22 PM
Not too much. I doubt I'd ever need that much bullet in either weight or diameter. Besides they make a 300gr in .338!!! /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
04-22-2004, 07:25 PM
2nd I have a little data, some of the faster loads which show no pressure in my rifle- 24"gain twist Ron Smith (Alberta) barrel:225 Nosler Balistic Tip 61.5 gr. 4320 2800 fps., 250 Hornady 60 gr. 4064 2600 fps, is more plesasant to shoot than my .338 WM. easy to make a Rem. 700 feed 5 in the mag..
on the .35 WSM you could also rebore (La Bounty Precision) and others to whatever twist cut rifled barrel you want and end up with a light contour for a .35 to boot- price was competitive the last I looked. O4 Gun Digest p.534 lists 30 shops doing this should be one near you.
04-26-2004, 09:38 AM
9.3x62, thank you very much for the loading data. I'm hoping my Remington classic 35 Whelen improved rifle will arrive by the end of this week. I'm going to be placing an order for some 35 caliber bullets today. I love the excitement of a new rifle project!
Do you or anyone else have experience with the results of having a rifle rebored?
Thanks, 2nd wind
04-26-2004, 06:41 PM
I had Cliff LeBounty rebore and rechamber a Blaser R93 .308 Win barrel to 350 Rem Mag for me a couple of years ago.
Worked out very well and shoots better than expected as all my Blaser barrels have. Only problem was the steel was so tough he broke some tools in the process. He did great work and if he'd do another Blaser, and I had the notion, I wuold not hesitate to use him again.
Good Luck on your project.
Have any of you "35 folks" found reamers and loading dies for 35/350/358 WSM? Also, has anyone heard reliable reports of anyone bringing out a factory gun and ammo/loads for something like this anytime soon? I often have funny dreams of altering one of my 350 Rem Mags (a 700 Rem) "just because", and it kinda seems like "it will be the thing to do at that time" (and because I too am a real cheapskate in some ways). rrg
05-13-2004, 10:51 AM
You can get a reamer from Pacific Tool and Gauge, their number- 541-826-5808. Redding is the best source for Dies. If you want to get really fancy you can order a sizing reamer from PTG at the same time as the chamber reamer. They are cut on the same machine and are an exact match. There are several sources for die blanks including Redding. My favorite is Newlon Precision. They make some really ***y stuff.
hcgunsmith, Thanks, I will check them out. RRG
05-17-2004, 04:34 AM
Rugerman, do you still have that 35 Whelen in scout configuration?
Tell me more about that!
05-22-2004, 09:22 PM
For what it's worth, Cartridges of the World Tenth Edition lists the 35 WSM as the 35 Sambar. It lists the 250 gr. Speer GS at 2700 fps for 4048 ft/lbs from a 23" barrel. That is alot more energy than the 350 Rem Mag. I'm considering the 375 WSM just because of the new 260 gr. AccuBonds. They should make an awsome combo.
05-23-2004, 06:19 AM
I hope you saw the post on the .35 #3, if you didn't let me know and I'll PM you. Sorry, I've been really swamped with work.
05-24-2004, 08:41 PM
What do you want for the Ruger?
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