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02-11-2012, 08:20 PM
Since I am the first one back, I'll start this thread. I'm the old man of the crowd, and, unfortunately, sometimes I feel it so it was necessary to leave early. I'm finding that cold air is not an companionable as it used to be. I forgot my camera (again) so there are no pictures, though I'm sure others will fill in this lack. Despite not feeling up to par I had a great time. There was the usual asortment of well-prepared game dishes and interesting conversation. Kids showed up Saturday and were, as always, well-behaved, enthusiastic and throughly charming. As they get older they will appreciate what great moms and dads they have. This is one of the finest groups of people I have even known.

Tipi town was fully populated and available for comparison, including Patrick's legendary 24-man. The weather was a bit cold but fairly mild with fairly light packed snow cover. It has been a generally mild winter this year throughout the region.

I had some time to closely examine the samples Patrick brought along, especially the new line of Timberline packs. The design, construction and detailing of these packs makes only one word appropriate - magnificent. Pictures don't really do them justice and I am sure Bill Krenz would have been delighted with the packs named after his screen name.

My thanks to everyone for their interesting insights, experiences and conversation, To Patrick for his samples and insights into the design process in developing Kifaru's products, to Ken for his efforts in making this happen, to Johnny for his hospitality in offering his camp for our use and especially for Greg (GJZ) for going out of his way to give me a lift over there and for going out of his way even more to give me a ride home. His kindness is appreciated more than I can say.

02-11-2012, 09:29 PM
Sounds like a great time Ralph! Can you give us any details on the weather, setting, The pure size of the 24-man? Thanks Pete

02-12-2012, 10:39 AM
Well, as I said, the weather is fairly mild. Snow cover about 10" packed with temperatures ranging from low 20s at night to low 40s during the day. I checked the weather this morning and the temperature had dropped to about 8 degrees. Generally clear with some light snow Friday night, not enough to measure. In prior years the temperature has been as low as zero but in all of the years we have been having this there has never been any significant snowfall on the chosen weekend, though there has been a lot more snow cover making snowshoes highly desirable.

The setting is Adirondack. That is: fairly heavy mixed forest with some hardwood (maple, birch predominate) and mixed conifers with hemlock predominate near the camp. During the summer (I have never been there at that season) I imagine there is fairly dense underbrush. There is quite a bit of water but no significant waterway. Overall, fairly representative of the Adirondacks generally. The camp (cabins are called "camps" in the 'Daks) is a well built wooden structure with two large rooms on the first floor and a sleeping loft - pretty much wall to wall bunks - upstairs.

You enter into the kitchen area with a long table surronded by chairs in the center, a cast-iron woodstove in the corner and short sofa seating along two walls. There is bottled gas with a cook stove and gas lighting and a dry sink with drain (water is provided by 5 gallon square containers) on a shoulder-high shelt with a gravity-fed hose and spigot.

The other room has a cast-iron stove in the corner with sofa seating along the walls and a coffee table in the center. The stoves are excellent, BTW, airtight, good burners and capable of holding a good fire overnight. The walls are covered with an impressive array of mostly European skull mount whitetail antlers with a black bear rug hanging from the ceiling. All together a casual, comfortable place.

The tent area is in a hemlock grove down hill from the camp with plenty of natural clearings for a variety of tentage from Paratarp up the the 24-man. I'm sure that someone will have a picture of what became tipi town. You have to see the 24 man to appreciate it. The listed dimensions are accurate but the enclosed volume is enormous. 10-15 people in conventional chairs can easily sit around the two arctic stoves that keep the interior shirt-sleeve warm in sub-zero temperatures. The tipi with all of its pegs and poles can pack a bit smaller than a GI duffle bag. At one time or another I have used a variety of wall tents, GI GP tents in all sizes and framed tents and have never seen any that enclosed as much space in anywhere even remotely close to the packed size and weight. In addition, the 24-man can be pitched by a single person (although it goes up a lot faster if several people help out). This huge tent has, by all reports (I have never been in one in a serious storm) easily survived heavy snowfall and gale-velocity winds. No doubt it is a very expensive piece of gear but if you need to provide a comfortable heated shelter for a large group (or want to live under canvas with room for furniture and other accoutrements of comfortable living) there is nothing like it.

Matt M
02-12-2012, 12:18 PM
Hey guys....just wanted to stop in and say hello. I had a great time this weekend meeting all of you, and certainly look forward to next year.....

02-12-2012, 01:37 PM
Thanks Ralph,

Sounds like a blast! Never spent any time out in the Northeast, so all I have is a boyhood fascination with it(and watching, This old House on PBS). The 24-man might be worth seeing in person! Regards Pete :.)

02-12-2012, 01:55 PM
Thanks for the report, Ralph! Now...the rest of you...we want pics!!! :D

02-12-2012, 02:22 PM
When I was in my teens I read a lot of novels about "the frontier". One of the things most interesting about where I live is that this is where many of those novels were sited. During the colonial period the Mohawk Valley was the far western frontier. This is the site of such novels as "The Last of the Mohicans", "Drums Along the Mohawk", "Leatherstocking Tales" and others by James Fenimore Cooper. It is also the area where many portions of the books by Kenneth Roberts are sited (Maine has other locations for other books by Roberts). I live just down the road from the original home of Sir William Johnson, British governor of the original settlement before the Revolution. The Saratoga battlefield is about a half-hour drive.

Although a sizable portion of the NE is heavily settled there are many areas that are not. The Adirondacks are about the size of Connecticut, larger than five of the largest national parks in the west put together. Our mountains, being much younger than the ranges of the west, aren't as high or quite as rugged, but still quite challenging if you are into that. Most characteristic throughout the NE however is heavy forest - bothe hardwood and conifer - and water - lots of water - in streams and rivers, lakes and ponds. The canoe and kayak are common modes of transport.

If some of you western guys have the opportunity I'm sure you would find the area interesting.

02-12-2012, 05:02 PM
IT was really nice to see everyone again in person and meet few more great folks as well!

Best of luck to Dave R and Susan for sharing their first outdoor adventure together -
To Many More!!! Your sled dogs now qualify for the Iditarod!!

And hope Patrick and Herb had a very safe and enjoyable trip/flight home!
A great drive for all the others!

What a great bunch of wonderful people! Ken & Johnnies, family and friends are the best! The kids are growing up quick and you can certainly see the reflection in what good parent's they have! It was a fun event as usual! Shooting and hanging out until who knows what time? Heard there were some records broke this trip! The Rendezvous are always a very cool get-together! The food was awesome especially - the venison hot dogs which words cannot describe....best I've ever tasted hands down! You could sell them in the finest restaurant if you wanted and people would be glad to pay double.. they were that good! I think Art should have a new nick name....Mr. Recoil....I never seen anyone laugh and smile so much in my life....from recoil. I actually think he would be disappointed if it didn't kick or hurt a little bit?? Too funny!

Thanks for all the help pushing my car out! Didn't realize I get something stuck almost every year....in the last few years anyway? Thanks for pointing that out Kevin! : ) Thought those days were long over.. I do remember having too much fun last year on my way back to the cabin and taking a curve way to quick while listening to a good tune when I slid on the ice and put my Jeep in the ditch but I don't remember getting the ATV stuck?? HMMM? Oh wait a minute....I think, it's kind of blury-- that might have been trying to find a phone signal last year in the middle of the night to mark off from work? Not sure?? Having trouble remembering that one for some reason : ) ? But starting to get it back ~ kind of....we had about 30" of snow on the ground and think it was with a snowmobile? Anyway maybe this will give me an excuse to hot rod the jeep a little bit and put a winch on it for future adventures. Good thing they don't let me take the train off-road : )

Ralph, No problem! It was an absolute pleasure to give you a ride and very happy everyone got to see you in person again and reunite! What ever it takes we'll get you there. Glad to be of some help! Parked in the same spot back to camp but went back about a foot too far and got stuck : ( ....I think we got lucky the first time but that's part of the adventure. BTW, The snow stopped on the way back and I got a pretty good second wind! Good coffee! Thanks!

Best wishes to everyone and....

Enjoy the campfire until we meet again!!!

02-12-2012, 05:59 PM
As always a HUGE thanks to Ken and Johnny for their hard work and hospitality that makes this a great weekend!

Jeremy and Larry did a great job singing and playing their guitars!

Robbie gears up for the hike in:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee212/adchesney/ECR 2012/P2092610.jpg

Tipi row:

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Breakfast Friday morning:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee212/adchesney/ECR 2012/BreakfastFriday.jpg

Robbie gives Herb the basics on the M1 Garand:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee212/adchesney/ECR 2012/P2102624.jpg

Patrick, Herb, and Robbie bask in the warmth of the 24-man tipi:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee212/adchesney/ECR 2012/P2102613.jpg

A set up in one of the 8-man tipis:

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Breakfast Saturday morning:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee212/adchesney/ECR 2012/BreakfastSaturday.jpg

Bobby gives his RGSR a workout:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee212/adchesney/ECR 2012/BobbyRGSR.jpg

Lost and found - who left this on the trail?

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee212/adchesney/ECR 2012/P2122638.jpg

Woods Walker
02-12-2012, 06:03 PM
Big thanks to everyone. I have a bunch of photos and some vids that will be posted in a day.

02-12-2012, 06:11 PM
I should mention that Greg drove me home then drove back to the camp road after dark, got on an ATV he had left there and drove the ATV over the very rough camp road back to the camp - that's really above and beyond and I'm glad he made it back safely. I was, at least, able to give him a couple of cups of good coffee to fortify him for the trip.

One of the things I really enjoy about these gatherings is the range of conversation. Those who don't hunt and fish, and especially those opposed to these pastimes have the notion that hunters and fishers are a bunch of ignorant rednecks. I'd like to sit these folks down to listen to the talk around the campfire/stove/camp table. We discuss reloading, hunting stories, politics, even the meaning of the universe and every topic in between. There is also a certain amount of "show & tell" with new gear, different rifle setups, packs and methods. My experience has been that, to a man, these are quiet, thoughtful folks of high intelligence and considerable practical experience in a wide variety of fields of endeavor. I left early with the greatest reluctance.

02-12-2012, 08:31 PM
Thanks for sharing. Wish I could've been there.

02-12-2012, 09:43 PM
Andy, The "Lost & Found" dog collar strap is Dave R & Susan's.
I sent a text message to give them a heads up.

William Clunie
02-13-2012, 07:22 AM
Glad to hear you all had another great ECR. I sure missed it. Next year for sure.

The grandson, Cody, lost their final regular season game to a local class "B" team. We're playing them tonight in the final game for the Mountain Valley Conference championship. Gonna be a barn-burner.

Then we go on to the Class "C" playoffs. I've never been a basketball fan, but when this kid plays I turn into a screaming fanatic in the bleachers. He's the first grandson and we're kind of biased. Love that Cody kid.

02-13-2012, 12:01 PM
William, Best of luck to your Grandson Cody!
Hope they do well in their final championship game!!!

Dave R.
02-13-2012, 05:41 PM
Once again......BIG BIG fun!!! Great to be at Muga Pines with the Crew......and a dream come true to be there with my love Susan!! Greg is the strongest human on earth........how the heck did he move so fast with so much pack on his back?? Herb had me glued to his stories of success with goats packing the high country!!!
.....what a blast it was watching Susan's dogs pull the sled!!! Andy....will be in touch to get the straps back.....thanks for picking them up....... Big thanks to Patrick once again for keeping the Out Back open and for keeping the dream alive!! And Ken and the crew..........You are the best of the best!!!

02-14-2012, 10:40 AM
Speaking of Dave. Was great to see you again. Susan had us with "What WEAPON is that?"
Andy getting ready to head in.
Andys sled yellow cover and my Jet Sled two different solutions to the same problem.

02-14-2012, 10:44 AM
Woodsy on his way to the spa.
Herb minus goats with US Rifle M1 30 cal
Andy making green energy with NO STIMULUS money

02-14-2012, 10:51 AM
Heading over to Kens longer range.
One of the few known photos of Art shooting standing
Andy with a pretty snappy looking old school scout, Bobby spotting or laughing, Ken in the background

02-14-2012, 10:58 AM
I looked for the thread but couldn't find it but I "thought" Mel said you couldn't put an Organiser on the front of a KU Koala. It seems to be able to be done. I kinda like it.
Inside the camp Herb and Derrick fix US Canadian and other world problems/glitches
Ken shooting an Anaconda

William Clunie
02-14-2012, 02:11 PM
If Andy hacks into his knee, he's going to need lots of Obama Care.

William Clunie
02-14-2012, 02:15 PM
I missed a good one. Looks like Woodsy was going "beast mode" with those shorts. And what kind of weapon is Dave R. holding? Looks like a bolt action muzzleloader? Is he in the "Highland Beast Mode?"

02-15-2012, 01:08 PM
I needed a couple days to process the whole ECR experience and get back on a normal sleep cycle, but what a great time. The assortment of people the Kifaru Company's culture and gear brings together is quite fascinating, it was a pleasure to spend some time on the Eastern side of things. Thanks Patrick for giving us a forum to bring all these personalities together.

First, a big THANK YOU to Ken and his family. The airport shuttle and the sharing of your home, on top of all the other organizing, is much appreciated. You have a wife and family to be proud off. I look forward to the stories of your two youngsters learning the ways of the outdoors from their father.

Second, thank you to Johnny and all the Muga Pines members for their hospitality in sharing their camp. They have hosting the ECR down pat and go out of their way to make all feel welcome. The passion that camp shares for the deer hunt is amazing. It's not all about size and numbers, but the hunt and the people you share it with, thank you Muga Pines for a refreshing reminder of what makes a hunt special. I can only imagine the tales to be noted in the journal in 2012.

Robbie and Andy, thank you for letting this central flat lander shoot your rifles. The M1 was a treat to shoot and my son was excited to have the clip. Andy, your rifle will probably cost me some money as I look for some trigger upgrades, very nice setup.

Dave and Susan, I wish you two the best in a long happy future. I would be surprised if the dogs needed to pull a sled into the 2013 camp. I can see the Roth's rolling right into camp in their off-road Jeep, designed by Susan. Quite the Marine you have there Dave!!

Woodsy, Ralph, Greg, Bobby, Derrick and the wives, the kids and the entire ECR clan made for some belly roll laughs, candid discussions on life and living. Robbie's offering of the possibilities a retirement to New Mexico raising Naugas that have had their dew claws removed is one story sure to have some parents answering tough questions. I can still hear Andy's whistle, I think, my ears may still be recovering from a few real big BOOMS!!! All in all, a great weekend in fine company.

As Patrick and I sat in the airport, waiting for our departing flights, a fella stepped up to snack counter near us. We could only grin as we noted the MountainSmith pack he had over his shoulder, and with that, a hand shake and we went our separate ways.

02-15-2012, 02:55 PM

It was a pleasure to meet you! The Rendezvous has brought many fine people together over the years but think your the only person other than Patrick that had to travel by plane to get here.
Thanks for taking the extra time and effort to make the trip!

And a few good Canadian friends who travel/drive from our northern border too!
It's unfortunate all the Rendezvous people from the past haven't been able to make it. : (
The assortment in firearms and wild game change from year to year....

Yep, The Muga Pines members hunt as a team and work together. Great bunch!
You're absolutely right, it's not about the size or numbers....it's their appreciation for the outdoors, camaraderie and passion for hunting that they share. But have noticed they are starting to add some nice bears and bucks to their collection over the years too!Jeremy is an awesome ice fisherman! They will have a lot of memories in the end! I'm slowly trying to get back into bowhunting myself after very long hiatus as our son was growing up. Ken and Johnny hunt with a bow too! I've talked to Timberline in the past through the Kifaru MB/PM pertaining to rifles but highly regret I didn't get to communicate with him about archery. Although rifle hunting in the high country to me is a favorite....I want to dedicate more time to bowhunting in the future. But must say it was very nice to see how much you enjoy hunting with a bow! That was a real treat! And meet a person and dedicated bow hunter as yourself! As much as any firearm big game hunter I ever knew! Maybe the most dedicated bow hunter (regular person) that I ever had a chance to meet. -Not including the people like Chuck Adams, guides, professionals and others with or without sponsors who do it for a living. Keep it up! That's a good thing! Great stories! I was a little late for dinner/side-tracked but did had a chance to finally try some of the great tasting Turkey, Steak and Bacon you brought from your home state of Nebraska. Good stuff!

Glad you had a great weekend!

And Patrick and yourself had a safe and enjoyable flight home!

Cool story about the MountainSmith Pack!!!

02-15-2012, 04:12 PM
If Andy hacks into his knee, he's going to need lots of Obama Care.

I'd settle for a good Corpsman instead. We missed you William!

02-15-2012, 04:29 PM
Herb, I agree on the laughing, when I was there a few years back my stomach hurt the entire time due to the comedy. These folks are a riot. I hope to make it again in the future.


02-15-2012, 07:42 PM
We hope you can make it again soon too Dan...

Another great one in the books. Sh!tty snow cover, long distance target range was a slop hole...who cares?...we had fun anyway! I didn't get to sit in on the last late nite visit as I had the lil dude to look after. He's finally old enough to stay all weekend come 'rhondy time. He even managed his first overnight in the tipi Friday. Come Sat. AM he popped his head out of the bag and proudly stated "I MADE IT DAD!"...yes you did buddy, you made it...grin....

It's getting so that he's as excited as I am for Patrick to come camping...turns out he was his shadow a couple of times, following him around asking him a bunch of questions I'm sure. At one point Patrick popped into the cabin and I asked him..."Where's Landon?...he chuckled and said "I left him down in Andys tipi with Andy and Robby, I'm sure he's well taken care of..." I agreed but wandered down a few minutes later to see if he was pestering them too much and I find out he's been no trouble at all but they are running seriously low on Jolly Ranchers, Reeses peanut butter cups and Beef Jerky...LOL....

We have a great bunch of guys and gals that turn out every year, the core group if you will, and I look foward to seeing everyone. It's great fun to catch up on th years events. The new fellas like Herb are always a highlite and I'm glad we get a chance every now and again to have them pop in. Herb's an awesome guy, and is welcome at the Ginter household ANYTIME.

We are all pretty fortunate here as forum members to be surrounded with the great bunch that makes up 'our' forum. Many thanks to Patrick and crew for getting us all together and keeping the lights on so we can stay together...

An another shout out to Johnny and the rest of the Muga Pines crew. You guys make things ultra easy and I appreciate all the help with the event.

Untill next year....DAAAAAAAAYOOOOOOO!

02-15-2012, 08:52 PM
Talked to the wife and as of now I'm in for next year as long as I don't draw a bull tag for somewhere good next fall.

It would sure be nice if you could get Copper to make an appearance, he was an interesting chap and it would be good to see him again.

Oh and we have to get some of that beer we had last time, that was good stuff.

02-15-2012, 09:08 PM
Right on! Glad to hear it.

No need to worry about the beer...swinging down to te Pump Station for dinner and growler refills is getting to be as much a tradition as the ECR itself...grin...

William Clunie
02-16-2012, 03:06 PM
I'll bet that was THE coolest having Landon announce that he "made it." How cool. Tickles my heart.

See you all next year. I've got a smoker now, so some smoky chow will be on the menu.

William Clunie
02-16-2012, 03:08 PM
I'd settle for a good Corpsman instead. We missed you William!

Sounds like I missed another great one.

See you next year.

02-16-2012, 07:17 PM
It would sure be nice if you could get Copper to make an appearance, he was an interesting chap and it would be good to see him again.

Oh and we have to get some of that beer we had last time, that was good stuff.

Ozarkrambler, hope it works out for you!
William, same for you!

I wish everyone could make it back.
There's been a great bunch of people gather around the campfire over the years!

And quite a variety of home-made cider, beer and wild game! Good stuff!

I found the generosity is over whelming and it's hard to donate in any way.
The first or second year I brought a bunch of meat from the butcher shop and there was so much going around from everyone who attended I had to take a lot of it back home. I finally found something to contribute they can use....ammo!!!

Yes, it's neat to see Ken and Johnnies kid follow their parents footsteps over the years!

Woods Walker
02-18-2012, 03:02 PM
Getting ready to pulk sled in.



Tipi row.


The weather was rather nice for the area with just a bit of snow.


Canada guy’s large Kifaru stove being used as a platform for a white gas stove.


24 man tipi with mega artic stove.



Target shooting went on day and night.



Matt M
02-18-2012, 06:07 PM
Speaking of shooting at night....lol......here is a quick video of big Jerm shooting a 1lb can of tannerite after dark. Once again guys, it was great to meet all of you, I look forward to seeing you all again next year!


02-18-2012, 06:52 PM
HAHA!...glad someone got that on film...good stuff, classic Jerm....

Woods Walker
02-18-2012, 07:43 PM
Nice going!

02-18-2012, 10:22 PM
Great pics and video!
Cool stuff!

Forgot to mention....

The Timberline Packs Patrick brought were awesome!
I really liked the built-in outside side and center pockets!

02-21-2012, 07:24 AM
Just thought I would add a couple things after being back a week and letting things sink in to still functioning brain cells.
-I always bring too much stuff mostly because I want to get other knowledgable peoples opinion of it. Between Andy and I we had 5 axes/hatchets two saws and 2 shovels. Whats nice at the ECR is if you are trying to go light you can always borrow a shovel or ax from someone.
-Andy checked out my fire kit and noticed my blast match was cracked
-While trading off our scout rifles Bobby,Andys and mine to shoot(I still havn't shoot that Savage yet) Andy mentioned he thought the extra 1/4 power of my Burris compared to the Leuopld scout made the eye relief more critical. Not knowing any better I had just lived with it.Yesterday I figured out I had a medium height set of rings which requires you to move your head a bit. I had ASSuMEed the gunsmith(small case for a reason) had used the appropriate rings. On a scout you want the scope as low as possible,I guess that is true of any optic. I went to LLBeans got a low and extremly low set of Leuopld rings. Ended up useing the low, the extremly low the scope hits the base. Not sure if filing the one piece base would signicantly weaken it or not I will shoot and ponder for awhile. If I didn't have my M600 Mohawk Scout I would get the Ruger I "think". I think scouts work well in the eastern woodlands.
-regret I didn't load up the Timberland T3 and see if it would bridge my Mollex and MMR.
-had an Organiser on the front of my KU Koala and some BFG Ten speed pouches on the back.I picked up a couple of Blue Force Gear ten speed older models on clearance to see if I could use the Koala as a pusuedo chest rig. A SR25 double pouch and two M4 singles. I put the SR25 pouch in the center and the M4s on either side. You can put 4 M4 mags or any combo of anything that will fit. The 10rd Ruger GSR magazine fits in also. I don't have a magazine fed 308 but the plastic cartridge slides that come with Federal ammo neatly fit in there. I had one in one of the SR25 pouch and a M1 8rd clip in each of the other three pouches to see if they would bother me on the hike in. Not sure all that made sense here is a picture of the backside.
It ended up not being noticable, I had a silkweight base and a pataguci R1 on between my chest and the back side of the Koala. I also had a jack of all trades master of none GI Poncho secured to the bottom. I also had an Emberlight UL in the front pocket,very easy to stow. After thinking how I used the Koala camping/hiking vs fishing(The Koala will hold my tackle and stuff when wearing waders) more as an admin pocket(with the Organiser) vs a daypack(when fishing) I am thinking maybe a Koala lite or Hillcountry Kit bag.
-Those 500d D&L are the way to go. Thinking a mid long would make a decent top pocket on my G1 scout.
-talked to Herb a bit about bows. I know there are others there(Ken and johnny for sure) with just as much to offer but it just happened to be Herb that entered the time space contortium of my question if I would be okay with a 45/50 lb recurve. Thanks.
-we were able to cook and heat Andy's tepi with some wood that was wicked wet. We knew when we got it was pretty marginal. Being able to split and dry it and keep the stove going wasn't the end of the world. I really like the mini hatchet for batoning/splitting. I know you can baton with a knife I've done it with everthing from my Leatherman to my6in sheath knife,but I have also broke a Navy Mk3 batonning a 3in piece of line. So unless in an emergency I'll carry a hatchet/ax.
-Greg always brings something "interesting". Usually it takes a powder charge just short of a mountain howitzer and mimicks the noise of the USS New Jersey doing a broadside. Well this year he brought a "prize" he won in a rafle. It was a nice normal useful everyday piece. Well done.
A couple more pictures
Andy and Landon doing brunch.
Andy shooting with ski/trekking poles
Herb shooting Andy's Savage scout and Matt ringing the 100yd gong with Ken's 44.
The only picture I got of the prime rib it was outstanding.

Canadian Guy
02-21-2012, 02:09 PM
Good time at the ECR, here is a short video of the Tipi row:


William Clunie
02-22-2012, 04:56 AM
My reason for not attending the 2012 ECR. Couldn't miss this for the world.8345

02-22-2012, 08:18 AM
45/50 recurve will be fine if you use a heavy arrow to ensure penetration. 10 gr./lb sounds about right.

I have a set-up for my 45 lb Bear Griz. that goes something like this. (From memory)

29 1/2" Goldtip 3555's
100 gr brass inserts
145 grain tip (Broadhead or fieldtip)
3 4" helical fletched feathers

Have you ever bareshaft tested your recurve to find the correct lenght/weight combo?


02-22-2012, 09:10 AM
Ken, Appreciate the info. I don't have anything yet. I've been thinking about starting bowhunting and didn't want to do a compound. I was asking Herb if 45lb would be enough to use for deer. Not sure when I'll get into it. I think I would like a takedown recurve. Thanks again Robbie

02-22-2012, 09:37 AM
There's a lot longer of a learning curve for instinctive shooting. If you like to shoot alot, that's not really a problem though...lol..

I need to get back to shooting my bows again...I've negleted them for a couple of years now.

The one thing that I liked to do while target practicing was ALWAYS have 3-4 bareshaft arrows mixed in the quiver. I found that after shooting only fletched arrows for a while, I would tend to wander from good form unknowingly as the fletched arrows help cover a multitude of instinctive archer sins. If you do something wrong with a bareshaft, your GONNA see it. It'll waggle its way to the target and let you know your slacking on back tension or you plucked the release etc etc etc...

WHEN you get the gear, try mixing some baresafts into your daily routine.

Try to get around and shoot a bunch of different bows. You'll be better informed when it comes time to buy.

02-22-2012, 06:59 PM
Ken, Seems I remember you shoot & hunt with a compound bow too! Do you use both recurve and compound. Or, is that Johnny I'm thinking of who hunts with a compound?
I forgot, Dave R is another person into archery/bow hunting! Maybe he will tune into the topic also! We should all get together on this someday!

I have some high-country rifle hunts planned and some unfinished business to take care of with a shotgun but will be getting back into archery a lot more in the future. It's only a matter of finding the time in between everything else but things are starting to fall into place. I really enjoy hunting with a bow. And enjoy being in the outdoors but my true passion is with a rifle. Lever-actions in the NE and bolt-actions in the NW. Maybe because I enjoy firearms as a collector, shooter and hunter. I would think that is odd but I remember Timerline, an avid bowhunter saying something about hunting for Antelope with a rifle for 30 years was a favorite passion of his. I have a very close friend in the NW who grew up hunting with a bow and has taken a lot of game. He use to shoot at the archery leagues for many years and shot very well. But after a lifetime bow hunting, hunting with a handgun and shotgun, casting his own bullets and reloading which is sill a favorite. He likes hunting with large caliber big game hunting rifles more than anything. Not sure what it is but it's enjoyable. So there has to be more than intentionally handicapping yourself with a short range piece of equipment and adding to the challenge that rifle hunters like Jack O'Connor and others like so much. Custom rifles are like custom cars. Fine-tuned machines and a lot of horse power! Hunting with a handgun also limits your opportunities and makes your hunt more challenging? I kind of find hunting with a rifle like fly-fishing. Trout fishing will often take place in the most pristine waters our country has to offer. Hunting with a bow or rifle have one thing in common....you never know what you will see or encounter next! But Hunting with a rifle is part of our heritage and who we are and seems to remind me of my favorite wilderness adventures and places to visit with good people. And that's important!

***And I'm NOT trying to be so hard on archery or bow hunting by any means. I find bow hunting extremely enjoyable when I get the chance in between everything else but don't like it so much that I disregard or unappreciate anything else. When it comes to being a "gear head" I find the firearms take the lead and get more interesting but that's me. I find custom firearms much more exciting than custom bows although I like the nostalgia and beauty of archery equipment. I know people like the "feel" of a bow and I do too but I get that same feeling from a firearm, mostly from rifles and handguns, not as much with shotguns. When it comes to being out in the mountains, wilderness, lakes, rivers, streams or swamps I enjoy the entire experience, journey, adventure with or without a bow, firearm, fishing gear or anything else! Whether it's firearms, archery, muzzle loaders, trapping, fishing, hiking, camping or anything else....when your hooked....your hooked. Live it up!!!

And trying to get you (everyone) to talk more about it!
We don't have to wait until next year! :)

William, We Understand....
Showing your support at your Grandson's game was a priority!
They grow up quick and those are precious family memories!

Robbie, Good luck with your archery/bow hunting endeavors!
BTW, I have to call it like it is....The Kimber 1911 has never failed to feed anything I put through it in the past. I haven't quite had it a year so far but it has had hundreds of rounds and assorted ammunition through it....It has been absolutely flawless.

Three things have changed.

1) I've never shot it in the cold before which I don't think is a factor.
2) And was using a new 8 round Kim Pro Tac-Mag. Shouldn't be a problem.
3) The last time I cleaned it I used "Gun Butter" which is suppose to work well in 1911's? And kind of over did it which I think is most likely the problem.

It will make another trip to the range in the near future and will find out why it had a little trouble picking up the ammo from the mag and feeding it into the chamber. I will switch back to the original factory magazine first and see what happens. If that doesn't solve the problem I will clean and lube it with something different. That should work. Semi-autos can be a little finicky and found the Beretta spray lube to work extremely well in the past. It goes on very thin and doesn't seem to effect semi-autos with close tolerances. Great stuff!!!

Hmmmm? I know Art wants to shoot the .500 again. With Buffalo Bore Ammo!
BOOOOM!!!! What could a person bring to the next ECR?? :)

02-22-2012, 08:00 PM
Johnny shoots a compound. I used to.

The 500 is always welcome.

02-22-2012, 08:25 PM
Johnny shoots a compound. I used to.

The 500 is always welcome.

Both are good!
Glad to see my memory isn't so bad....

We'll....I will do my best to accommodate any special request if possible! :)

And appreciate everyones generosity as well! Getting a chance to shoot each others firearms and test different equipment is good thing! Fun too!!!!

The Kifaru rendezvous are a one of a kind!!!

02-23-2012, 06:34 AM
Ken, Again thanks for the information and suggestions. When I get ready to make the jump I imagine I'll start a thread on what why how etc.
Greg,Didn't know you were having an issue with it. I only shot 5 rds and worked fine.
Lube-I've had problems if you use grease in less than 32 degrees. I believe Wilson now has a warning caution on there site about using their grease in cold weather. I use 10-8 Performence Lube or SLIP EWL. Mobil 1 also works well. I really like the SLIP products they work well and are very human friendly.
Magazines-I use either CMC Power mags,Wilson 47, or Wilson ETM magazines for my 1911s. This is a good reference site if you havn't seen it before. http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/Articles.html
Recoil spring-if you are getting close to 2500 rds maybe time for a new spring.
Happy trails and take care Robbie

02-23-2012, 08:22 PM
Ken, I like your bareshaft practice shooting idea!

Robbie, Here is the GB Gun Butter Link:


I don't think it needs a recoil spring this soon....kind of in a break-in phase.

I'll check into the 10-8 Performance Lube reference.

Thanks for the tip!

William Clunie
02-25-2012, 03:55 AM
Graphite lube will work in the coldest weather, too.

02-25-2012, 05:03 AM
I looked up the 10-8 Performance Lube Robbie memtioned:

We are pleased to present 10-8 Performance Lube, a product that sets a new standard in small arms lubricants. The lube is a colloidal suspension of re-micronized molybdenum particles, functional from -100 to +1,000 Degrees F. The .3 micron (that’s .0000118”) moly particles will not settle out of solution so you do not have to worry about shaking the bottle before you use it. The formulation will not evaporate in normal ambient air temperatures. Over months of exhaustive testing, we found that the lube consistently outlasted commonly available oils and greases, providing a significantly longer service cycle between lubrication. It was common to run 5-600 rounds in a match fit 1911 without experiencing any sluggishness. M4 carbines and modern service pistols easily go in excess of 1000 rounds without relubrication. When the liquid carrier ultimately burns off, the moly particles remain behind and stay hard at work. Even when the gun appears to have become dry, the action still feels slick thanks to the embedded moly. The particles continue to ooze out of the pores of the metal, making a relatively small application of the lube go a long way. On M16 platform weapons, the lube has noticeably reduced the deposition of carbon on the bolt carrier group.

02-25-2012, 05:14 AM
Thanks William!

Here is some information/lube found on the Wilson website concerning the 1911.

"Do NOT over lube!!!"
(which I did intentionally because it's still in the "break-in" phase according to Kimber and wanted everyone at the ECR who was interested in taking a turn at shooting it....especially since it was won through a raffle at the NRA Annual Meeting in the 100th year of the 1911....it is a pleasure to share it with others when the opportunity occurs since I consider it kind of like a gift) I have over lubed semi-autos in the past and found this a mistake. I have had extremely good luck with Hoppes Semi-Auto cleaning solvent. Hoppes Elite Gun Oil and the absolute best results with Beretta water repellent spray lube Genuine Oil/olio per armi. BTW, The Beretta family owned business will celebrate their 500 th year in a little more than a decade. 15 generations since they started in 1526. WOW! I'm sure they will have a very interesting commemorative firearm added to their product line for their company anniversary!


I thought the Gun Butter would work well and a synthetic lube would perform in the cold but think your better with a "clean" unlubed firearm semi-auto in extreme cold conditions. The thin Wilson Combat gun oil looks like it will work well and might give it a try.

And it's good to know the limits of your firearm. When they will or will not work.
When the moment of truth arrives ~ it must be 100% ready to rock & roll!

"Once your firearm is broken-in, lube only those areas where you see visible wear."

"For firearms that will be used in constant temperatures below 10 degrees we recommend you use a very light coat of a very thin lubricant like Break Free CLP or FP-10." - Wilson Combat


The ECR is a good place to test different firearms/gear and the Kifaru MB can produce good feedback!
Good people too!

Equipment like the Kifaru Koala!
That's an interesting item to see in person!

Enjoy the campfire until we meet again!!

Matt M
02-29-2012, 03:33 PM
Next year guys we should definitely plan on bringing bows. I almost brought a couple of my setups, I didn't know if there would be other guys into it there though. To be honest, up until I joined Muga Pines as a member a couple of years ago.....I hadn't hunted with a firearm for quite a few years.

03-01-2012, 09:29 PM
Matt, I think there were plans a few years back about bringing some bows to the ECR but not sure why it didn't work out? Might have been the year we got hit with a bunch of snow?? Good idea though!

William Clunie
03-02-2012, 07:55 AM
I just have to brag a little here. I've been posting in the Rendezvous section on this board about my grandson Cody...he's in his senior year of HS and I missed the ECR2012 so I could attend his games. His mom and dad just separated so my wife and I have been trying to help out where we can. It's keeping us busy, but in a good way. Between home work, practice, a girl friend, etc. the young man has a lot on his plate. I watched him and his team grow from little kids to great young men. I sure love that Cody kid and couldn't be more proud.

Here's a recent article about this cool kid:


03-02-2012, 10:22 AM
Outstanding William. It said the link was broken it comes up in sports local. Goodluck this weekend.take care Robbie

I just have to brag a little here. I've been posting in the Rendezvous section on this board about my grandson Cody...he's in his senior year of HS and I missed the ECR2012 so I could attend his games. His mom and dad just separated so my wife and I have been trying to help out where we can. It's keeping us busy, but in a good way. Between home work, practice, a girl friend, etc. the young man has a lot on his plate. I watched him and his team grow from little kids to great young men. I sure love that Cody kid and couldn't be more proud.

Here's a recent article about this cool kid:


03-02-2012, 05:58 PM

That's not bragging....that's called being a good person!

Best of luck helping out with your grandson Cody!

William Clunie
03-02-2012, 06:28 PM
Click on the other link and then click on "sports" or go here:


03-04-2012, 05:51 AM
William, Congrats to Cody and his team for the Championship Win!!!!!!!!!Robbie

03-04-2012, 08:02 AM
William, Congrats to Cody and his team for the Championship Win!!!!!!!!!Robbie



"The Cougars made all seven of their shots and played suffocating defense in the fourth quarter to pull away from Lee Academy, 74-67, to win their first Class C state title in 29 years at the Augusta Civic Center Saturday night.

Cody St. Germain led the Cougars (21-1) with a game-high 26 points and seven rebounds."

William Clunie
03-04-2012, 08:34 AM
Cody's team just won the state final game. They brought home the gold ball last night!

03-04-2012, 09:05 AM
Wow! That is fantastic news!


03-04-2012, 06:51 PM
Congrats William...I just watched some of the game online. Cody is one heck of a ball player. Great team overall, lots of hustle. Good for them!

William Clunie
03-04-2012, 07:30 PM
Congrats William...I just watched some of the game online. Cody is one heck of a ball player. Great team overall, lots of hustle. Good for them!

I'm all tired out just watching their hustle. They are GOOD. Very fun to watch.

William Clunie
03-05-2012, 08:14 AM
Here's the final state championship game for boys class "C". What a game. My grandson is going on to Hussan College for a degree in physical therapy. What a great kid, what a great team.


See you all at next year's ECR 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-06-2012, 10:57 AM
Since Greg (GJZ) likes large caliber guns I thought I would show you the one I used to play with, the 8" M115 towed howitzer. 296 lb. projectile @1,950 f/s,, range about 18,510 yds., weight 28,000 lbs. You lug it around with either a tracked mover or a 10 ton truck. When it fires you don't hear it so much as feel it, like a bg, padded fist punching you in the chest. Fired at night the muzzle flash lets you read a newspaper 100' away. Greg's kind of gun. At maiimum range the dispersion is around 10'. The 8" is the most accurate artillery piece ever built and they were all made at the Watervliet Arsenal about 40 miles from where I live. (Interesting place to visit if you are in the area.)

While it would be interesting to shoot one, I'm afraid the range is a little in excess of what would be shootable at the next ECR.

To give you an idea of the scale, the recoil tubes are about 6' long.


03-06-2012, 03:40 PM
Shoot! I'd be glad to lug it around with a truck or test fire it!

Matt M
03-06-2012, 09:35 PM
Ralph - Find a way to get one of those in up the hill next year and I'll personally setup a target on the opposite side of Loon Vly for you to shoot it at. :)

03-07-2012, 01:45 PM
I was in hurry yesterday and forgot to mention....

Ralph, you sure got to play with some cool toys!

I only had Tonka trucks when I was a kid. Do they even make them things anymore?

03-07-2012, 02:51 PM
I think Tonkas are still around. When I was still editing the paper I attended a couple of construction trade shows and models of equipment are still very popular. Some of the large models were beautiful, hand machined brass and stainless steel and cost nearly as much as the originals.

Yeah, I did get to play with some interesting gear - 105mm howitzer and the self-propelled model, and the 155, too. Not to mention mortars, machine guns, recoiless rifles, rocket launchers and other neat stuff. The best part was that I got paid to do it.

03-07-2012, 09:31 PM
Cool stuff!!!

Imagine that....getting to play with a 105 & 155mm Howitzer and paid for it too! I like it!!! :)

03-10-2012, 05:23 PM
I'd like to show you how artillery works but although I have some friends at Fort Sill (Oklahoma) I don't know anyone at Drum anymore. (Fort Drum is the only army post east of the Mississippi with a range capable of handling anything larger than the 105mm.) For reasons I don't understand the 8" has been retired but the 155mm is pretty good. Besides, the 8" needs a 20-man crew to service it. I have a model of the 8" that is quite detailed. It's been more than 40 years since the last time I fired an 8" but I am always surprised at how much I remember about it. I guess there are some things you don't forget.

As long as you are within range you can put more iron on target, faster and cheaper with field artillery than any other method. If you need a big bang you run a TOT (Time-On-Target) mission. This is where the guns are fired so that the impact is identical. A battalion TOT is VERY impressive and during WWII as many as 40 battalions fired - that's more than 900 rounds of high explosive in one big bang within less than 100 yards. Air bursts would put a shell fragment about every 6".

04-01-2012, 05:21 PM
Ralph, I seem to remember you saying that you were a member of the Cherry Ridge Rifle & Pistol Association.
Well. I upgraded my ANJRPC Life Membership to Life Range use today! I'm sure you haven't been there in a while and it wouldn't look the same. But think you would be very pleased with what it has devolped into....It is an awesome Rifle & Pistol Club! It is not only a very active club but they now have their own lobby and are NRA's right arm in our state. Both CJRPC and ANJRPC have become a strong voice in our state! ANJRPC was one of four groups who were directly involved in the Heller vs D.C. Supreme Court case. Took the safety course/seminar this morning and did some shooting with a good friend who has been a Life Member for many years! They have 6 ranges total. A .22 range, shotgun, pistol, medium & long range rifle and archery range. I was very impressed with the scenery! It looks like something you would expect in the Rocky Mountains in Colorado with a nice stream and small lake on the property! It looks like some of the original cabins are still in the woods to admire. New range rules though.... You have to cease fire if a bear decides it wants to walk through the area, the deer are now firearms qualified and will walk right through a major shooting competetion with not a care in the world about the noise. They have learned the shooting stops when they arrive and they're safe to do as they please but will vansih if you approach them. Beware of the rattlesnakes!

FWIW, Took the Kimber 1911 to my other range early in the week to see why it had trouble feeding at the ECR. Found out the new Kim-Pro 8 round Mag wasn't the problem and neither was the cold. It was had too much lube/grease in the slide. Disassembled, cleaned and re-lubricated it with the Shooters Choice FP-10 oil that it was supplied with. Works great!!! Lesson learned....don't over-lube a 1911 (semi-auto). I knew better but that's how it goes sometimes and need a reminder once in a while....

Ken's/Mugga Pines 100 yard gong is giving me a new interest in long range handgun metallic silhouette shooting!
Think the .41, .45 LC and .44 Mag would work perfect and a lot of fun!!!

04-01-2012, 05:51 PM
It was a good range when I was there. That is in the snow belt area - one of those little surprises NJ offers. I was born in NJ, and gre up there. Too bad it has become so leftist and supidly restrictive. (My grandfather served in the Es*** county and state legislatures for good many years and he must be rolling in his grave. Grandpa reformed a lot of the political abuses when he was in office and is responsible for the fact that government cars have id on the door (a lot of officials were notorious for using government cars for personal use).

I'm glad you have such a good facility available to you.

The deer are a bit odd. We used to have herds of mule deer happily bouncing around the artillery impact area at Ft. Sill, so common that we wouldn't suspend fire. Every so often one would get hit but that never seemed to discourage them. Since it was federal land the local game laws didn't apply.

04-01-2012, 06:25 PM
As the ANJRPC said;

"They took our Rights away one brick at a time."

"We're putting them back in place one brick at a time!"

You can be very proud of your range!

They're doing great!!!

04-13-2012, 09:51 AM
Just got my new cap, and a very nice one it is, thanks, Patrick.

04-13-2012, 07:37 PM
+1....thanks to all out in Co.

Woods Walker
04-14-2012, 07:34 PM
I also got an ECR hat. Thanks Patrick. :)

04-17-2012, 08:22 AM
Returning back from the NRA 2012 Annual Meeting in St. Louis MO....
....to find another Kifaru 2012 NE Rendezvous hat that arrived in the mail!

It is a reminder of another year of great memories!

A unique campfire like no other....

A comradeship of good like-minded people who share and appreciate common interest.

And enjoy the great outdoors in America and all that it offers.

Thank you for sharing those memories and all those who gathered together to make this happen.

Thank you Patrick, your Family and the entire Kifaru staff who make this happen!

Thank you ALL from Kifaru for your ALL your great work, craftsmanship, pride and products!

And Thank You Ken, Johnny and your Families for bringing us ALL together!

My hat is off to ALL of you....

God Bless

Matt M
04-26-2012, 06:40 PM
Just got my hat today, thanks Kifaru!!!