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wolfmen
01-12-2012, 10:07 AM
https://kifaru.net/campchairs.html

So glad it come out finally but the price really scared me.

I don't get it, why so expensive?

Vernon
01-12-2012, 01:05 PM
Wow, that showed up without an annoucement. Wolfmen, glad you found it. I too am taken aback a bit by the price. I'm not sure where it's coming from. Any comments Patrick? BTW, it sure looks nice but yowza on the $

BTW #2 - love the photo by Sawtooth on the Camp chair page.

Patrick
01-12-2012, 03:48 PM
Hello there wofmen, Vernon. I'll address the price for you.

Fistly, this is a pupose-built TOOL just for us backcountry hunters/wanderers who get around on foot. It is NOT an offshore mass produced Walmart chair. And I think that category of "chair" has jaundiced our expectations.

Instead, the KU Chair was built specifically for "us". A sturdy long lived tool that was light enough, strong enough, compact enough, durable enough, and very comfortable. The market for guys like us is not the same as the car camping market. Again, I set out to design a tool as important as our boots and sleeping bags and packs. This is just as precisely engineered--and takes our very best sewers and craftsfolk to produce. It would have been much easier to have the back be an extension of the seat legs--infinitely easier--but that would have made for too much weight and bulk. Instead the backrest is contructed of carbon fiber arrow shafts and has to be sewn with exact presision to brace against the seat metal "just so" or it will sag too low and/or fall over backwards when you lean back. The precision is like a Swiss watch, and the materials are mountaineering grade as well: our own tipi/KU Pack fabric. Padding. Carbon fiber. Aircraft aluminum. Stainless steel leg pins (which are removable should either the seat or the legs ever need replacement). High quality and durable crutch feet instead of plastic leg caps (which last about a week). Fold-away braces to keep the backrest upright yet weigh so little they are worth carrying. All of this attention to the details of producing a first-ever normal height and comfortable backcountry chair just for our niche market took a ton of R&D effort and time.

But the outcome is a comfy truly off-the-ground chair us guys WILL carry, and rejoice in the contribution to our effectiveness in the field it provides. It is the device I've wanted for a very long time. I had to build it myself, as I often do. It costs about the same as a decent pair of boots, yet will last far longer and is just about as useful. It's the real deal, and can't be compared to any other category of "chair". I blanched at the price when we finally computed it, but decided there was nothing I personally would "detune" to get the price down--the package we developed is exactly what I needed, and as you fellows actually use it I'm betting you'll agree.

Anyway, those are the facts behind our new fold-up chair. I hope this explains the cost, and perhaps directs your thoughts to how seriously useful owning one is. A very comfortable real-deal chair that's worth its weight to carry on foot can change your backcountry life.

Vernon
01-12-2012, 04:10 PM
Patrick,

Thank you for your timely response to our questions. I take it from your post that the legs are specially made (in the US?) by a piping bender or some such craftsman or company and not just the repurposing of a cheap Coleman or Stansport stool. That explains a good bit as does the thought and R&D behind the product. I will have to wait a bit on this one and see the field reports. Thanks again.

evanhill
01-12-2012, 04:28 PM
It's essentially a crazy creek with folding legs. Here's how I see it breaking down:

Crazy Creek made abroad: $50
Make it in the US: + $40
Add folding legs: + $30
Add extra structural elements to CC to account for folding legs: + $30
Make it with higher tech materials, including carbon fiber: + $20

Ok... so I just put each of these line items out as nothing more than educated guesses without thinking about what the total would be. Turns out I come up with $170. Passes my sanity check as a reasonable price for this product, given the comparables. Looks comfy too!

flamingo 7
01-12-2012, 05:29 PM
I too was blown away by the price (but not to deterrence). I’ve got an ancient Crazy Creek chair that has been a boon companion for a very long time, providing a bit of luxury where there was precious little. But a chair elevates it to another plane. Trying to replicate what Patrick has done resulted in a poor substitute at best. He explained it to me in detail one evening and his statement regarding Swiss Watch precision is no joke. It’s easy to keep metallic objects bolted, forged or bent in place, but when you combine them with fabric, padding and assorted accoutrements it becomes another problem altogether. The line between function and failure is fine indeed. Now to break the news to the CFO…

Ed C
01-12-2012, 05:54 PM
I had this coversation with Patrick years ago. That the only thing I miss in the backcountry is a chair. How back support is important so you are not collapsing on your spine. Patrick brought up the point of not going all the way to the ground every time you sit down. I have spent many an evening sitting on cargo chair with longhunter. I put the cargo chair on my express for this very reason. Needing my Chiropractor when I'm 12 miles in sure puts a damper on a hunt.I have waited on this for a long time. I'll be sitting on mine soon. Thanks Patrick.http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae44/WillisMcGee65/rhtyzq.gif

Phil
01-12-2012, 09:43 PM
evanhill: Ya sold me on one. phil

Vernon
01-13-2012, 08:43 AM
What happened to the picture of the chair online? The pic of Patrick? hiking w/ the chair on his pack is still there but the chair pic is gone.

wolfmen
01-13-2012, 09:02 AM
Hi Mr. Patrick, thank you for your response. Love to see more pictures and review from others.

Vernon, I know this news from kifaru 's Facebook and I downloaded the pic of the chair. Here you are.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j222/wolfmen07/572e763e.jpg

MojoSlim
01-13-2012, 12:34 PM
Thanks for finding this, Wolfmen! I've been just sitting around waiting for an announcement on the forums, but I guess you were the announcer!

I've been anxiously awaiting the release, but that price is quite discouraging. I don't doubt that it's a reasonable price for the product, but it is just WAY out of my price range. It's nicknamed the "Geezer Chair," and I guess I'll just have to wait till I'm a geezer until I'm ready to shell out that price for a good sit. Till then, I'll stick to the 'asian squat' that I've relied on since childhood (Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y76UbfBr5vo)

Great looking product, though.

thewolverine
01-14-2012, 11:34 AM
Call me a geezer..My back always hurts and I wants one... :)

Sawtooth
01-14-2012, 05:38 PM
As for price versus quality and functionality...with this chair and Kifaru, you always get what you pay for. I wish all of you could have seen the R&D that went into this chair. Many things were corrected as a result of in-the-field testing. I saw it. You'll either wear out or cuss many other chairs before you'll do the same to this one. The savings in back pain and ass pain is substantial...you don't have to lean forward as you do in a tripod chair (REI, etc.) or sit low on the hard ground as you do with a Crazy Creek chair. This chair also can serve as a little rain shelter for your backpack, if you carry it right. Good stuff, Mr. P.

hu3
01-15-2012, 05:12 AM
WOW! It's really expansive!

DocGP
01-18-2012, 04:42 PM
Is this one you have to use with kid gloves? Reason I ask is my son is 6' 8", 245 and a bit of a klutz.....will flopping down in it endanger it?

I am very interested, but a bit afraid of sasquatch breaking it.

Thanks
Doc

John Havard
01-19-2012, 08:42 AM
I have one on order so I can wring it out.

Each year flying into a ridge top in Alaska in a Super Cub puts weight at a premium. While I'm no pixie (I'm now just over 200# after finally knuckling down and losing some weight that I didn't need) I can assure everyone that the chair will get a very thorough workout prior to this fall. I hang out with some guys who are bigger/heavier than me - it will be tested!

If it matches all of my other Kifaru gear in functionality it will be well worth the price. I for one have wasted many hundreds of dollars buying the lightest chairs I could find for such field use and having most/all of them fail. Up to this point the best option that I had found was one ounce under four pounds and about $25 dollars less than this new chair from Kifaru. It hasn't failed and is fairly comfortable. But it's twice the weight of the new Kifaru chair. If this one functions as it's advertised I'll own three or four before it's all said and done. If it doesn't then I know that no one stands behind their products with more pride and care than Patrick Smith. I'm looking forward to seeing it in person and putting it to the durability test.

wolfmen
01-19-2012, 10:01 AM
I m second one. As Kifaru hard core fans, I think I have no reason say no to buy it and I believe it will work great as Mr. Patrick said. I hope the production date can reach my backpack shipping date and the shipping fee will not increase too much.

If there has dimension of chair, it will be great.

thewolverine
04-04-2012, 06:50 AM
I am working on a different computer..but I cannot find the folding chair anywhere on the Kifaru Site..Any assistance or a link

sab
04-04-2012, 07:11 AM
thewolverine:

It seems to have disappeared from the web site. I searched with Google, and the page that it was on is cached at Google, but the current page no longer shows it. However, you can still order one at this link:

https://kifaru.net/xcart/catalog/KU-Folding-Chair-p-16545.html

Regards,
Scott

Patrick
04-04-2012, 07:27 AM
Hello gents,

We have had to put a hold on the Folding Chairs for now. We can't make the rest of our gear properly and the Folding Chairs too. Demand for the standard K gear is quite high. We are very sorry about this difficult decision. Refunds for existing Orders will be going out soon. Thank you for your understanding.

flamingo 7
04-04-2012, 08:13 AM
bummer, glad to hear that demand is high and quality important.

T> i <

thewolverine
04-04-2012, 01:17 PM
Patrick,
Thanks for the heads up..Will wait patiently..and gee, that will allow some $ for your other goodies for now...

KING2005
04-07-2012, 07:11 AM
Please try to get these back soon, was REALLY looking forward to mine...


Thank you!
Hello gents,

We have had to put a hold on the Folding Chairs for now. We can't make the rest of our gear properly and the Folding Chairs too. Demand for the standard K gear is quite high. We are very sorry about this difficult decision. Refunds for existing Orders will be going out soon. Thank you for your understanding.

Andy BB
07-06-2012, 04:30 PM
Is the field chair still for sale? https://kifaru.net/campchairs.html

MojoSlim
07-06-2012, 05:09 PM
Is the field chair still for sale? https://kifaru.net/campchairs.html

AndyBB: unless something has changed in the last few days, they are still for sale. My lady-partner has one in an order she made a few days ago. I got one in May.


Regards,