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Tex
06-17-2003, 08:20 PM
Okay, many of you replied to my other thread on a rifle for African plains game and North American big game, and I thank you for all of your replies. Now, I have another question:

I have a budget of about $3,000 to $3,500. Instead of getting a .375 or a custom .338 Rem Ultra Mag., I'm now thinking about going with a standard Wby Mark V .340 and a Winchester Safari Express in .416 Rem. Mag. If I do that, I figure I can take care of pretty much anything I'll ever want to hunt.

Going with the .340, I'd get much better ballistics than the .338 Win. Mag.---I'm taking out the .338 Rem. Ultra Mag. because I can't get a wood stocked gun without going through a custom shop, and that would take up pretty much all of my budget.

The reason I'd go with the .416 over the .375 is that I can push a 400 grain bullet and not lose much in ballistics from the 300 grain .375. To give you an idea, the .416 gets 2175 ft/sec and 4201 ft-lbs at 100 yards, while the .375 gets 2245 ft/sec and 3357 ft-lbs at 100 yards. Remember, the .416 is a 400 gr. bullet and the .375 is a 300 gr. bullet.

What do you all think?

Tex
06-17-2003, 08:23 PM
I forgot to add: I need some answers pretty quick because I've got a good deal on a .416 and I need to move on it soon!

Jim T
06-17-2003, 09:05 PM
You must be a recoil sponge. Better you than me brother!

Is there a particular reason you insist on wood? For a go anywhere in any weather gun, I prefer SS/synthetic personally. I hate it when my blued guns get rusty.

Jim

Oz
06-17-2003, 11:21 PM
Tex, Been a while since I posted, added to the end of your other post. I,ll have to second Jims comment on the recoil. .416 is not your "recreational" shootin' iron, bites as bad on the backside as the front-almost. Costly to shoot, especially if you don't handload. There's so many good bullets out there in .375 vs. .416 in a no brainer for versatility. The only thing that would make me lean toward the .416 is if you are planning on hunting dangerous game much more than the average hunter. In North America that's the biggest bears, and they most definitely fold more readily to .40 caliber-plus cartridges given equal shot placement. But thats if you are planning lots of brown bear hunts plus the mean and nasties that Africa has to offer. Some African countries I'm told won't let you hunt with anything less than a .40 cal. so the .375 loses there as well, but thats about it. If I didn't have a son to pass it along to I'd have 'em bury me with my .375- thats how fond of it I am. BTW- it still has its original English walnut stock, stays at zero when soaking wet, repeatable zero within an inch every time when action/bbl removed from stock. A rare and exceptional piece of wood to be sure. Just can't seem to do the synthetic thing with this one. Good luck shoot straight, Oz

shu
06-18-2003, 06:29 AM
Why would you need better ballistics than the .338 Winchester?

jdb3
06-18-2003, 07:06 AM
I'm with Shu. I have carried a 338 for years and dearly love it. Now I understand about the 375 rules in some of the African nations but the difference between the 340 and the 338 are not worth the cost of the 340. You get around 100 to 200 fps increase velocity for aroune 25 to 30 % increase in powder. It does not seem like a fair trade to me, and the animal will not know the difference between 2800 fps and 3000 fps using a 250 grain bullet! Jim

Tex
06-18-2003, 10:22 AM
Thanks again for all the replies.

To be exact, at 100 yards the .340 gets 2743 ft/sec and 4176 ft-lbs, versus 2456 and 3348 for the .338 Win Mag. That's with a 250 gr. bullet. To me, over 800 ft-lbs seems like a pretty good trade-off for an extra couple hundred bucks.

Jim, no particular reason why I prefer wood over synthetic; just a personal preference, I guess. Also, while I wouldn't really consider myself a "recoil sponge," I am pretty stout and I usually don't feel recoil at all in the heat of the moment when I'm shooting at live game.

Tex
06-18-2003, 10:23 AM
Oh yeah, my sources on the ballistics are the remington.com ballistics chart and the chart in the Weatherby catalog.

Jim T
06-18-2003, 12:23 PM
I have a 300 Win Mag that I find to be less than pleasurable to shoot at the bench, but the funny thing is that it doesn't kick at all in the field. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Jim

shu
06-18-2003, 01:11 PM
Tex-

I never put too much faith in foot-pounds for fear I might start believing the .22-250 is a better 150-yard deer killer than my old .30-30. My point was simply that if you can't get it done with the Winchester than you are going to need more gun than any .338....

shu

JF
06-19-2003, 10:37 AM
Tex:

What game exactly do you plan to hunt with these two bazookas?? Is the 340 to be your deer rifle? and the 416 for elk?

Heck! go for it, I think they are both uhhhh....powerful enough.

JF

Tex
06-19-2003, 10:52 AM
No, uhh, .340 will be for African plains game and elk and moose here in North America. The only time I might use the .340 on deer would be if I ever go to Canada and hunt the big, big deer. I have plenty of rifles that are more than adequate for Texas deer; I usually bowhunt for deer here in Texas anyway.

.416 would be for cape buffalo and other large African game if I ever decide to hunt them (lion, etc.).

I'm not sure which one I would use for brown bear.

eric
06-19-2003, 09:25 PM
Hey Tex, the deer up here in Canada are not that big.I used the 340 for 4 yrs before I got rid of the beast, the cost of shooting and ammo availability is what really seperates the 340 and 338. there is nothing in north america that cannot be taken with the 338, period.Try shooting that 340 in the prone position and a person ends up looking like a hockey player,speaking from experience here, the scars end up causing a bad flinch and the blood in your eyes hurt.Right now I am shooting the 300wsm, it kills everything I shoot at, no problems. Only you can decide what you want to shoot Good luck Eric

Yukon Hunter
06-19-2003, 09:37 PM
Tex-
Don't listen to Eric. I can decide what's best for you. Buy a .375 /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

William Clunie
06-20-2003, 04:58 AM
Yukon is right! The .375 is tops. It is not all about numbers or what it says it can do in writing or on paper targets, it's about someone taking the gun out and using it in a real hunting situation. Anecdotal information.
I love wood stocks too. The Winchester Express model,.375 H&H is inexpensive for all that you get. If I wasn't married, I would be sleeping with that beauty.

06-20-2003, 07:29 AM
I own a sako model 75 in 375 H&H, itīs completely stainlees with synthetic stock, itīs a great all around, you can hunt fron africa to the pole with it, delivering enougth punch to anything in your path.

You also have a great number of bullets tipes to choose from, and buy them from the counter in any armory in most countries, keep in mind that air-travel is not always hunter friendly or fullproof and your weapons or ammo migth not arrive with you.

I also have a beautiful 416 rigby from my father, and to tell you the truth it just collect dust in the safe, im keeping it for personal reasons, I dont find any hunting use for it.

Best regards and great hunting.

Rafael
Mexico City
Im sorry for my faulty english.

06-20-2003, 07:50 AM
Ok. Ok before anyone said anything about the 416 rigby not doing any hunting, I will take it to hunt rhino or elephant, but this 2 are gonna be in the wish list for only god knows how long.

Rafael.

Tex
06-20-2003, 09:58 AM
William, the Winchester Safari Express is the one I'm looking at.

Patrick
06-22-2003, 06:40 PM
Rafael--

Welcome to the Board. Your English gets the job done. So does your logic.

Sounds like you do a bit of hunting abroad?

Rafael
06-23-2003, 07:28 AM
Patrick.
Its a pleasure to be in here.
yes i do travel a lot not just for hunting reasons, in Mexico the wingshooting is great, but we dont have a lot of choices in the big game department, and well for me Texas is international travel. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Best regards and great hunting.