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02-13-2011, 07:14 PM
Let's get thread started...I didn't have a camera AGAIN at this years event, so I'll have to defer to the other fellas for pic's.

I'll post a full report tomorrow, but will say that we had yet another great time in the dack's. The weekend was nothing but fun and I really enjoy having everyone come up ad have a good time.

02-13-2011, 07:43 PM

All we can say is thanks again to You, Patrick and Johnny for hosting another awesome Rendezvous!

It was really great to see everyone and already can't wait until the next ECR!

Everyone who couldn't make was missed and hope to see you at the next one!


^^^^ ^^^ ^^^

02-14-2011, 06:47 AM
Just wanted to say a big thanks ! to Ken, and John, Chris, and Patrick, and everyone else for a great ECR, had a great time and will certainly try my best to make next years, and hopefully will be with my new Sawtooth Tipi. I did end up with a great canoe that I bought from Ralph, Gregg helped me back to the house with it, you see he is still into trucking,LOL:, thanks Gregg.

I feel like an idiot, I found my stove, it was under the back panel where it drapes down on the bottom of the Siwash. Each time I took everything out of the pack and looked in I couldn't see it. I'm learning something new everyday.

Again thanks to everyone.

William Clunie
02-14-2011, 07:39 AM
Thanks to you and your gang again (the gongs were excellent). I'll email you my photos and you can pick and choose the ones to post here. The Muga Pines fellas are tops! I really don't know if I got any good photos. I was too busy eating and shooting. What a stressful event...eat, rush right out to nail some gongs, go back to camp, EAT MORE, hurry and woof down the food so we can scurry back out to shoot more before losing daylight....sheesh. I'm home now resting, in anticipation of next year! Thanks bud.
And what a fine group of handsome Scotsman we had there. Eiye, especially that piano-playin' bastard Roth (Gibson Clan?).
Thanks Patrick for bringing the UltraLight gear and coordinating the stove-feeding efforts. I think we would have sat in our chairs, covered ourselves in ClimaShield stuff, and watched the fires burn down without your watchful eye.
And thanks to all the other shooters. What a great group. I fully enjoyed the hands-on exchange of information. I learned so much. I wanted to learn more from Andy, but I couldn't get past that hat. And if I would have know his buddy Bob's MOS, I would have picked his brain further. (thanks for your driving efforts Andy and Robbie)(and Robbie's spectacular rendition of whiteman's rap). I'll be there next year for there range information alone.
Oh, I forgot about Woodsy's ILLUMINATING appearance, kelbasa craft, and small-game efforts. We would have had wabbit if you could have been v-erwy quiet.
And also thanks Gregg for that wrist-snapping cannon. I don't think you'll have to lug it in next year. We've all had our chance at the beast and defer. It does make for some great recoil footage though.
And Derek, eh? Thanks for representing the Canadians. Please tell your fellow Canadians that, even though we were a wild bunch, the inner-city Americans are worse.
Stay strong Ralph. Glad you could make it!
Until we meet again,

02-14-2011, 08:45 AM
At the trailhead. Andy was using a pair of Air Force mittens.
At the pines stomping down snow.
Woodsy,Ken,Andy, and "some" guy from Colorado.

02-14-2011, 08:53 AM
Andy and Ken shooting at the new shovel ready range.
Me trying out the new UL Koala. I put my Nut Ruck in and borrowed a sidearm to put in the handgun area and snowshoed down to the range and shoot my 03 from various positions. I lke it.
Ken wacking some steel,yessa.

02-14-2011, 08:58 AM
I am noticing a trend.

02-14-2011, 09:05 AM
Andy before eating William's most excellent moose banquet
After eating moose steaks Holy mackeral.
Thats all I got for now dawg.
Had a great time. The weekend and even the drives went by too fast.

Dave R.
02-14-2011, 10:15 AM
Hey Robbie.....nice action shots of my snooozing!! Hey the pillow case I have is this one.....love it......got a wiggy pillow stuffed in it.......the case is soft ands warm.......feels good even at 12 below!!! like Thursday nite...

Dave http://cascadedesigns.com/therm-a-rest/sleep-systems/trek-and-travel-sleep-systems/trekker-pillow-case/product

02-14-2011, 11:31 AM
I am noticing a trend.



(more pictures later)

Dave R.
02-14-2011, 12:45 PM

02-14-2011, 01:21 PM
Day ohhhhhhh

William Clunie
02-14-2011, 01:26 PM
That was excellent!

William Clunie
02-14-2011, 01:32 PM
Nice photos. They always told me that folks will "grow some" if they eat enough moose meat. Now I have a visual for what they'll be growing.

02-14-2011, 01:51 PM
On a more useful note Bobby came up with a different way to skin a cat.
He said he came up with it the night before I believe it is just rubber hose as a trace(s).
the red stove pipe picture
John and Andy coming into camp.
Things I may have learned,
1. Just because you have a sled you don't need to load it up with everything in the basement just to "maybe" try it out.
2. Windage knob on a M1 is easier to adjust with the bolt closed.
3. Pillow cover Dave R thanks,daylight come
4. Cribbage boards are evidently illegal/retricted items in New York, who knew.
5. Bells in the daks are useally attached to a beagle.
6. I was showing Dave and Bobby my PSK I keep in my Nut Ruck and discovered the Pico Light did not work. I figured out yesterday the batties were in backwards. Hmmm menehunies.
7. The Exped 9 does what it says but its inflation isdn't intutitive. Thanks again Bryan.
I am sure there is more. I had a great time as you can tell by the pictures. If the tally man had shown up sooner.

02-14-2011, 03:39 PM
I had a great time - and also forgot to bring my camera. Courtesy of Mr. Clunie I am developing a real taste for moose. I grew up on New England chowder and regarded other types as watery and tasteless - the version served on Saturday changed that view.

What an interesting and varied group we have - great stories and conversations. I very much enjoyed the opportunity to examine the new UL packs and gear - Patrick certainly has another winner, the stuff is beautiful and is head and shoulders above anything else I have seen. I can't help but reflect on equipment of days past - the canvas Bergans rucksack, Trapper Nelson packframes, cotton canvas shelter halves and Baker tents, my battered old Trail Chef cookset, Coleman stoves that bellowed like a jet engine - these gave me the adventures of my youth and memories I would not trade for anything. This new gear, though, would have made those times so much more comfortable and so much less work that I hope the younger guys appreciate it.

Lest anyone think I'm retiring from canoeing my new boat is this:


The Dragonfly is actually an open kayak rather than a canoe, but weighs 11 lbs and folds flat for portaging and storage. I'm designing the fabric gear to go along with it and should have a working set by the time the next canoe season rolls around. I'm slowing down a bit but I ain't dead yet.

As always, many thanks to Johnny for his hospitality and to Ken for his many efforts to make the ECR happen - including trucking me around (I'm glad he enjoys snowmobiling because he sure rode back and forth a lot hauling gear, supplies and me).

One thing - someone accidently got my Kifaru cap. It was sitting on the coffee table, tan and I think was the 2009 ECR cap. I wear a hat size 7 so if someone has a cap that doesn't fit I'd kind of like it back.

02-14-2011, 06:19 PM
Ralph, I saw a 09 hat in the UL box that I sent back to him. I wonder if that hat is yours??...

02-14-2011, 07:30 PM
I just looked through the caps and it was the green 2009 cap. The UL box was right next to the coffee table so it might have been. I thought I looked thru the box but with stuff going in and out I may not have looked deeply enough. No rush to get it back. If Patrick comes across it in the box maybe he can stick it in the box with the new cap.

Woods Walker
02-14-2011, 08:21 PM
It was a great time. I have some photos etc and will post them soon.

02-15-2011, 04:22 PM
Ken, That was a neat load you have for your Colt Anaconda! I'll post a tip for your .44 on your reloading thread that I read about a while back. Your new 200 and 300 yard shooting range is really nice!
The 2011 ECR was a lot of fun! Happy reloading/shooting!

02-15-2011, 05:20 PM
Sounds like a good time! Wish I could have made it. Keep the pics and stories coming!

02-15-2011, 05:27 PM
Sounds like a good time! Wish I could have made it. Keep the pics and stories coming!

Hope to see you again next time!

Woods Walker
02-15-2011, 06:43 PM
Here are some Vids.

300 Yard metal target shooting using an LED flashlight, Mini 14 and a Rem .308 in the cold.


http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/vids/th_Mini14quarklight300yardmetaltarget.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/vids/?action=view&current=Mini14quarklight300yardmetaltarget.mp4)

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/vids/th_308METALTARGET300YARDS.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/vids/?action=view&current=308METALTARGET300YARDS.mp4)

My pulk on the way out.


A crazy gear tarp setup.....I didn't make it.


Artic stove and 24-man Tipi.



Sawtooth shelter rocks and is on my gear wants short list.





My 4-man.


I have some more vids and photos that will be uploaded later. It was a great time and thanks to Ken for blazing that path.


Thanks to everyone who brought food for the group.

02-15-2011, 10:01 PM
Below is the report now posted on the Appleseed forum. :cool:

Date: Thursday-Sunday, Feb. 10-13, 2011

Location: A remote camp in the Adirondack Mountains of Northville, NY, which is 23 miles from our friends in Lake George, NY

In attendance: Firewall99, Andy in NH, Patrick, founder of Kifaru International, plus about a dozen wild and crazy guys

Purpose: For the Appleseeders in attendance, this was a way to explore the outer reaches of Winterseeding and surviving cold weather operations. For the Kifaru guys it was to party with old friends and to see, use, and discuss the latest in Kifaru camping and survival equipment. Many of the participants took the opportunity to show off and let us shoot an amazing number of unusual firearms. There was also an undeclared heater competition (See below.).

The weather was nearly ideal, as there was very little wind to cause potentially dangerous wind chill.

Thursday: Cold & Sunny / Low -8 F / High 15 F
Friday: Even colder just before dawn (-12 F), then Warmer (20 F) & Partly Sunny
Saturday: Warmer Still (28 F) & Cloudy

Thursday afternoon a few of us early birds met at the trail head to begin the trek up to the camp. Andy and his friend Robbie both had sleds all packed and ready to go. Andy was completely self-contained and could have operated without any of the extras provided by the camp. He had a Kifaru 8-man tipi and the bare minimum for a gourmet camping and shooting experience. His friend Robbie, a colorful Navy Chief, brought a very useful kitchen sink, which did include a marvelous Belgian Browning tube-fed 22LR carbine that fed through the rear and was the cutest little thing. (I am sorry that I didn't discover it until Sunday morning while we were packing to go home.) I had essentially a day pack, as I was the rookie of this operation and was there to observe and learn. I couldn't bring my LRB because NY is a slave state, a point I made several times that weekend while contrasting what it's like to live in the FREE state of NH. But I digress.

In traditional rookie fashion, I was over prepared for the cold. The first thing I learned was that my Arctic mittens and King of the Mountain heavy wool coat were intended for people who have to stand around doing nothing in -20 F and below. Since we were exercising moderately in +10 weather, I almost boiled away! Once I got to the camp, the mittens and coat were stowed, as the 5 layers of long underwear and shirts were more than enough.

Since Patrick had all the Kifaru gear, he took advantage of the snowmobile train that ran up and back several time to bring in all the supplies for the rest of us. Once at the camp, we all started putting up the tipis.

Erecting a 24-man tipi is quite an experience, one that we will be repeating this coming weekend at the Winterseed in Peterborough, NH. Patrick showed us all the tricks to do it, and Andy and I are now well-trained in this arcane art. The most unusual thing about a tipi this big is that is uses not one but two stove/heaters and two support poles.

Once up, the task began to split enough wood to get through the night and also have enough kindling to start the stoves in the morning. Robbie and others did a wonderful job.

Here is where one of the themes of the weekend entered into the picture. Chaos theory. Everyone is running around helping everyone else. That was the good part. The bad part was someone who shall go unnamed here--but we all know who he is--grabbed the morning kindling we had prepared and threw it into fire before going to bed. I saw it happening and was too slow to stop it.

Anyway, in the morning we were freezing, and had no kindling. This became a perfect opportunity for Patrick to show off how well he had designed his sleeping system. Next thing I see is a giant sleeping bag walking, yes, walking around collecting wood to split. Patrick's bag has a section at the bottom that can be removed. He was wearing special light weight booties with a no-slip surface that he had slept with.

I, on the other hand, had neglected to sleep with my slippers. I call them slippers, because that what they did! I got up to go out, and whoosh--bam! I was flat out on my side. The floor had turned to ice. And Patrick was a comfy as a butterfly in a cocoon. I paid dearly for that lesson.

After breakfast Andy and others set about installing some steel plates at various distances to shoot at, and new arrivals began pouring in.

At some point in the evening the heater wars began. Chaos reentered the picture, and the temperatures in the cabin and the 24-man tipi began to rise. The cabin got to 112 F, while the tipi was pushing 100. Yowsah! It was good to cool off outside!

The next day was beautiful, and we saw some really interesting firearms. The theme at the short range seemed to be how much energy could a firearm shoot if it had shoot a bear. Gregg showed us his 500 S&W bear gun. This is a revolver with an orange handle, indicating that it is a piece of emergency equipment, designed to stop a bear in one shot. That is a good thing, because you only want to shoot it once. If your wrist isn't broken, you count yourself lucky! In all fairness, if one had to use it against a bear, the last thing you'd be worried about would be the recoil. You'd probably not even notice it.

Gregg also had a new 45-70 govt Winchester rifle. Jesus. With the normal ammo it was another handful. With his special, super high-powered ammo, it was brutal. It needed new sights, as it was about 20 MOA off. What an experience, though.

William showed us his 10mm compact, the Glock 29. Again with the super high power ammo and a special barrel modification to handle it, this baby was a show-stopper. I would not want to be on the other end of that sucker! This version of a bear gun was a little more manageable, however. You could actually shoot a whole magazine from this one. And then the regular ammo was a breeze. I might actually get one of these, but I'd get the full-size version, the 20, because I would want to get a full grip on this cannon.

I missed out on the long range shooting due to a time miscalculation. I won't miss it next year, by geesum. But the long range targets were set up at 200 and 350 yards or thereabouts. A broad selection of 308 700's were in use, and two Enfields showed up. No MBR's or DMR's because of the slave state issue. I really didn't want to install a muzzle break this time. Maybe next year.

The food was awesome! Great work by Kevin, Jeremy, and Larry made sure that we never lost an ounce of weight despite all our exertions during the weekend. Kevin kicked off with some great linguicia and onions. Jeremy returned the ball with fantastic game chili and breakfast eggs and pancakes the next day. Someone produced those marinated moose steaks, which disappeared almost instantly. Damn, those were good! Larry served up some spicy venison sausage that was dy-no-mite. And finally, my Indian Candy seemed to disappear every night, so I'm grateful for that. Thanks to all the chefs for doing a wonderful job!

There were a lot more goings on than I could cover, but this was truly an experience for the record books. Thanks to everyone who worked to make it happen.

And a special thank you to Patrick. Kifaru is a great outfit. Go buy his stuff--it is the pinnacle of quality and American ingenuity.

02-15-2011, 10:14 PM
I promised someone to post links to the Steve Lee song, and found that there are now more of them. Like I said, he has a whole album on the gun culture.

Pretty good for an Aussie.

They had to make the music video in Cambodia, because, as you probably know, they took their guns in Australia.

"I like guns" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU

"I'll Give Up My Gun" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1geyoxeifk0&NR=1

At Appleseed we teach what happened when the British tried to take our guns the first time.

Enjoy and play loudly!

William Clunie
02-16-2011, 06:47 AM
I saw a similar problem at the ECR as explained below. Thought this might help:

A man used to spend hours posting on the political forum on the Kifaru site (preaching to the choir) and went to his psychiatrist and told the doctor, "I keep getting into these long discussions about political stuff and arguements about gun control and bla, bla, bla..."

The doc asked, "What do you think is going on?"

The patient answered, "I'm a tipi, I'm a wigwam, I'm a tipi, I'm a wigwam, I'm a tipi."

The doc calmly answered, "Your problem is obvious, you need to relax, you are two tents."

So....I'm relaxin'.

02-16-2011, 07:32 AM
A few more pictures
I think the 2 tents are gone in this picture William and Dereck
Happy birthday!
Bryan,Andy, and Ken
I think Patrick said this was the first use of the liner in the 24 man
Andy with his Koala at the shovel ready range. I guess you could call it the snowshoe range I believe everyone shot wearing shoes.
Ken shooting

02-16-2011, 07:49 AM

The mild 45/70 ammo you shot were Remington 240gr JHPs.

The hotter loads were Buffalo Bore 405 gr JFN.

The SS Guide Gun is a keeper!

Might have a few custom items added to it....

We were shooting Hornady 500gr FP XTP bullets in the .500 S&W.

But usually have some of my favorite Buffalo Bore ammo for the 50 caliber too!

They say sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you....

Buffalo Bore is the perfect ammo to get the full potential out of your firearm and the bear goes to sleep!!!

Getting to shoot different firearms and try something new at the rendezvous is always a treat!!!

Great to see everyone again....hope to see those who couldn't make it next year!!!


02-16-2011, 01:37 PM
John and Robbie waiting to step off


John pulling his first sled. Thanks John! ;)


Watch out for the cornice!


Derek's idea for snow stakes.


Dave R. shooting


Ken takes aim with the Savage.


One view of the line of tipis. Front to rear: 6, 24, 8, 4, 8.


Woods Walker and Ken look around after a snow squall passed through.


John fires Gregg's Guide Gun while Jeremy looks on.


William gets some trigger time with the .22 Scout.


Robbie splitting wood.


Patrick takes a turn swinging the axe.


Derek and Bobby


Ken, thank you for all the work you do to make the ECR a great time!


Woods Walker
02-17-2011, 07:03 PM
One of the 3 kens shooting his Glock 27. We both hit a small dead sapling at a good distance.


http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/vids/th_MVI_4743.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/vids/?action=view&current=MVI_4743.mp4)

Just shooting the .22 at some ice.


http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/vids/th_MVI_4690.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n220/Daytraderwon/vids/?action=view&current=MVI_4690.mp4)

02-19-2011, 07:40 AM
Had a great time! I know I'm a little late but its been a long week. It was good seeing everyone, what a great group of guys. Its been a while since I've laughed as hard as I did during Friday nights bs session in the 24 man. Where did that Jim Beam guy come from? Thanks again to Ken for putting it together and Johnny for the use of his place. I didn't take many pictures but here are a few of camp.

8, 4, 8, 24, Sawtooth, and CanadianGuys 6 way in the back
My Sawtooth, The more I use it the more I love it!

Woodswalker smells breakfast

02-19-2011, 01:47 PM
That Sawtooth sure is a sweet rig. The narrow footprint really opens up site opportunities around these woods Vs. a four man. The high zipper makes ingress/egress a snap as well.

When I picked up Patrick at the airport, I was kinda surprised that he was not wearing one of the new UL packs....So I asked why..??...I thought for sure we would see them at this years event....lol...He replied, "I shipped the whole UL line to your house already..." Little did I know that I had them all sitting in my garage for 3 days prior.

The UL linup is really something to behold. It is going to take a long time before they become obsolete, that's for sure. Patrick and crew did an awesome job. The 3700 is my fav., but the 5200 is the most impressive as is weight to volume ratio is silly. I'd better hurry up and wear out my Siwash so I can justify the purchase of one of these beauties with the acounting dept. ha!

I shot more this year than ever. Finally. I made sure I got my trigger time this years as there have been previuos years where I shot VERY little. The 200 and 350 yard steel was a hoot, and it marked the first time I have ever shot over 200. Night shooting was a riot too. Patricks Malestrom was impressive to say the least. My 24x fine crosshair scope was NOT the ticket for the after hours stuff though. Williams 3-9 Mark 4 Leupy was WAY better after dark. It worked well during day hours to as his gun put a great number of hits on the 350 gong simply by using the first dot down. Hold right on, squeeze, BOOM...ding...almost every time. Very nice.

The new .44 loads were a hoot to shoot as well. 5 grs of Titegroup and 240 SWC's...great plinking round. William, Derek and I (maybe Greg too) all managed his on the 100 yard steel with it.

Gotta run, I'll post more later.

02-20-2011, 05:52 PM

Hitting the target at 100 yards with your Colt Anaconda was neat! Derek said to aim for the top of the steel/target and it worked! Work caught me off guard this year and had to take care of business and leave a day late: ( Glad Dave R decided to head up early with out me and will make sure I don't get caught off guard next year. I feel bad he waited for me and work called last minute. My friend Gary was very disappointed he couldn't make it but really enjoyed the pics from the ECR. Kenny seemed to have a great time also! And bought a very nice canoe from Ralph! Good to see Ralph and William make it and hope some of the good folks from previous rondy's have better luck attending next time, it would be nice to see them again and they were greatly missed! Getting there on Thursday instead of Friday makes a big difference and a lot easier to get set up. I will try to have a bunch of reloads next year too! This will be a good year for getting back into it again! I'm looking forward to comparing the .50 Alaskan, 45/70 and .444 and see what everyone else thinks also! The Buffalo Bore ammo puts everything in a different perspective! Thanks for letting us shoot your '06 at the 200-300 yard ranges! Nice rifle!!


William Clunie
02-21-2011, 04:16 AM
Glad you had the time to shoot. At this year's ECR it was a great pleasure to hear you repeatedly comment, "William, we're going to the range again...you comin'." I've never enjoyed learning and sharing shooting info more. What a treat. I'll always come if I can, and would recommend it to others. Thanks again Ken.

02-21-2011, 09:09 AM
Didn't catch the night shoot. Have to put that on the must do list next year! Hard to keep up with all the good stuff that is going on all the time! William, Thanks for letting us shoot your rifle too!

02-21-2011, 09:12 AM
All of you guys shoot very good, and all of you know your firearms, I felt handicapped, Next year I will bring Thumper ( Ol reliable ) this will be my pacifier while I watch again in awe !

02-21-2011, 03:15 PM
My favorite is watching Ken teach their son!

What a great way to get started at an early age!

He won't grow up thinking bad about firearms and will have the safety part well in advance!

And great memories learning together as a family! Doesn't get nuch better than that!!!

02-22-2011, 08:10 AM
Some more random thoughts rattling around in my head. William sent me this picture. The positioning of my left arm and sling are incorrect.
Andy mentioned that the white parka stood out when he went downrange more than the other guys coats/jackets. I "think" my light colored pants and a green,folage, or woodland camo top would have been a better choice. There was someone there who would of known but I didn't think to ask.
In case anyone might be wondering. I had three rounds out of about 120-130 rds fired trough the M1 that had primer strikes and did not fire(greek ammo from 1980) my M1 also doubled 3 times,twice on me and once on someone else. I broke the rifle down last saturday I "believe" the firing pin had some "crud" that my have contributed to the light strikes/doubling. Nothing else really noted. Need to do a live fire at the range this week to verify. I know snow had gotten into the magazine from a couple of clips that got dropped prior to loading.
At one point I needed to check my bore clean because of possible snow in the bbl. I was going to use the cleaning kit in the stock. I was unable to get it out. I think I put one too many "nice to have" things in that prevented me from retrieving the cleaning rod. Lesson learned. The Candians issue a VERY NICE cleaning kit by the way in a very well usable and laid out pouch.
"A scope doesn"t help you shoot better just see better" this was demonstrated at the 200 and 3?? ranges. The 12x12 steels against a wooded background were a bit challenging. Rifle scopes definatly made it easier to identify the target. I was also thinking about a rangefinder. Estimating ranges is a perishable skill.
Most people already know this but if you are using a sled duffle bags are better than packs.
Bryan had a really nice pulk cover that he made , not sure if you could buy one as well made wicked sharp.
Somebody asked for the chili receipe http://www.kifaruforums.net/showthread.php?16414-Chili&highlight=Chili
its on the first page. If you want hot dog chili leave out the beans.
Again thanks Ken and the Toy Factory crew for all the hard work to make this come off. Robbie

02-22-2011, 11:27 AM
Speaking of scopes...Did you ever check your scope out Andy?

Next year I'll have my long range stuff more ready. I was really a mess not knowing anything about my loads drop wise. This was certainly a good lesson for me. I need alot more practice and I intend to spend the next year getting my gun, my loads and myself ready to shoot out to 400.

02-25-2011, 11:40 AM
Did you ever check your scope out Andy?

Not yet.

At the ECR, I was hitting good at 200 during the first range session and then did very poorly later in the day. I must have banged the scope / rifle somehow in between. It was still hitting well at 100, but beyond that all the hits were random. I should have put some paper out at 100 and see where it was hitting and made the corrections.

I'm still perplexed with the phenomenon of hitting with the reticle off and then missing with the reticle illuminated. :confused:

02-25-2011, 01:03 PM
Yeah...me too.

Let me know what you find out.

I've got some more rounds loaded up and ready to go. I fell all apart there at the end as well. I got busy cranking knobs and didn't note where I was set when I was hitting semi-consistantly. I'm hoping to get out next week and take my time getting things dialed in.

02-25-2011, 06:41 PM

Looks like you found a nice new hobby!

Happy shooting/reloading!!!