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evanhill
01-24-2010, 06:12 PM
Just a quick teaser post on the first NW winter rondy of the season. Thanks to all the guys who drove to get here (and are probably still driving as I speak) -- DP, Tim in WA, Oldpinecricker, ChristianH, and Jason. The weather took a toll early friday morning as Snakey was turned back at the pass in a blizzard nobody expected. I'll post more pics and commentary later, but leave you with this for now:

SuperBadger
01-24-2010, 06:23 PM
Looks like you guys had an adventure! Can't wait to hear the report.

Buck W
01-24-2010, 07:02 PM
Looks like a yard sale there :)

evanhill
01-24-2010, 07:28 PM
Ok...

Friday morning started with a call from Snakey saying the pass he was trying to cross was strewn with cars and it had snowed 2 inches since he had been stuck in traffic. He took the wise course and turned around. It was actually snowing down in the sagebrush country of Bend as well, which was a surprise. I knew it was going to be a long day for everyone.

After I dealt with an unexpected server crisis, Scot and I finally got headed out to camp:

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/1.jpg

After leaving the main trail, we were breaking fresh trail again, although the base we'd packed down on wednesday helped quite a bit with flotation:

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/2.jpg

It was windy and blowing some snow when we got to camp. It wasn't ideal conditions to pitch a Kifaru tipi for the first time, but with the instructions I'd printed out and brought along, Kevin B's loaner 12 man went up without a hitch. After getting out of the wind and sorted out a bit, it was time to get some wood split for the night:

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/3.jpg

The splitting continued in the tipi as we got the stove cranked up and put on a pot of soup:

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/4.jpg

Oldpinecricker pulled in an hour or so before dark, after having taken a couple of detours off of the intended route. He was pulling a good load as well as carrying a pack, all on a pair of skinny NNN binding skis. Not fun, but for a hard rock miner, just another day. He brought a second 12 man and an arctic stove, which ended up going unused. He also brought a Bibler bomb shelter that he slept in.

DP and Tim in WA rolled in on snowshoes pulling pulks right at dusk. By then we had a pot of soup on and they piled into the 12 man for the night. A couple of hours after dark, Jason finally pulled in on snowshoes with a pretty serious pulk load. He'd cut it down to one case of bottled beer and 1 gallon of milk from his original plan.

Jason threw up a Hilleberg to crash in, but we were up shooting the proverbial breeze until about midnight. Somewhere in there the snow blew through and it cleared up completely with a drop in temperatures.

Saturday morning dawned just about as nice as you could ever hope to see. It was beautiful, with a fresh coating of snow out on Brokentop:

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/5.jpg

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/6.jpg

Is there a pic limit? Better break into another post...

Randy
01-24-2010, 07:46 PM
Great pics and report. At this point it looks like another successful winter outing in the books:) That 12-man can get addictive, so watch yourself becoming accustomed to the luxurious size, heat and stand up room:)

Sawtooth
01-24-2010, 08:48 PM
Great trip report and pics! Thanks for posting.

Jon S
01-24-2010, 08:52 PM
Looks like fun and that guy in the first pic looks like he has taken some lessons from me on skis.
Here's to hoping a nice fresh dusting or a few inches (and no closed passes) for the one here in CO in a month.
Thanks for posting, can't wait to hear about my buddy in the snow.

evanhill
01-24-2010, 08:53 PM
It was still a little chilly, but with a promising day on the horizon, everybody stood around and admired things for a while (l-r: Jason, Scot, Tim in WA, DP):

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/7.jpg

A couple of hours later, ChristianH rolled in with a brand new Kifaru pulk followed by a homemade sled. The Kifaru had gotten there the day before, so he brought both to compare them. Really, what choice does a guy have?

DP and Tim set up DP's 8 man.

Unlike last year, we were a half mile off of the established trail. That cut down on the number of other folks we ran into. It didn't prevent a half dozen people from following our trail in though -- "does this trail keep on going?" "yep, it goes another 50 yards and ends at our latrine."

Lots of enjoying the sun and shooting the breeze (l-r: Tim, ChristianH, DP, Oldpinecricker, Scot, Jason)

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/9.jpg

DP and Tim took off for a snowshoe trip down to Swampy Lake where they got a chance to commiserate with day trippers who weren't happy to hear gunfire up on the ridge. We shot a few firearms that managed to make it into camp, including some impromptu penetration testing. Oldpinecricker's "38 and a half" won that round.

After DP and Tim got back, I went out on a ski tour. It was just about a perfect day. I discovered yet more pocket meadows that weren't on the map that the elk probably hide out in come elk season. After I got back, we shot some more and then battened down the hatches for an evening of camraderie.

Oldpinecricker and ChristianH:

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/10.jpg

Jason, Tim, and DP:

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/11.jpg

Everyone turned in fairly early, and a fresh storm rolled in. With all the drive time for folks, we got an early start in the morning and made our way out in the midst of wind driven snow:

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/12.jpg

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/13.jpg

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/14.jpg

http://www.evanhill.org/Portals/18/hosted/2010winterrondy1/15.jpg

I took up drag. It took me a while to catch up with Oldpinecricker. Turns out he's done a fair amount of downhill skiing, and it really showed in his cross country skiing. Just being able to ski off track on those skinny skis of his would have been an accomplishment, but with the pack and pulk, it was quite something. It wasn't until the steepest hill of the trip that he couldn't get his edges to bite in enough to control his descent and he ended up in quite the yard sale.

After getting put back together, it would have been a quick trip out, but we ended up doing a fair amount of community relations. Says Oldpinecricker, "Watch out for those guys up ahead. They're a bunch of rednecks". The game of "is that lycra clad metro***ual a boy or girl?" sure did keep things lively though.

DP and Tim took right off on their long drive back, and the rest of us hit a local brewpub before parting ways.

I hope everyone made it home safe, and thanks for a great rondy!

Buck W
01-24-2010, 09:07 PM
Thanks for the great narrative and pictures, Evan! It looks like it was a grand time, as usual.

darob
01-24-2010, 10:15 PM
Looks like a fantastic trip. Do you have any close-ups of the kifaru pulk?

evanhill
01-24-2010, 10:22 PM
I didn't get any close ups of the Kifaru pulk. I'm sure ChristianH can provide some at some point.

One other thing I forgot to mention. At the brewpub, we ran into some folks from the Deschutes County SAR club. They had been out doing "winter survival training" overnight. I couldn't help but reflect on the different nights that we'd had in the same environmental conditions -- one group huddled like rodents in underground burrows, and one group relaxing in heated comfort, drinking beer and eating fried blacktail and salmon steaks.

Wanderlustr
01-24-2010, 11:33 PM
Looks like it was a nice trip, maybe I can catch the next one.

Curious about the crash and burn pic - you weren't waiting, with camera in hand, at a likely spot for that Kodak moment were you? :D

evanhill
01-25-2010, 08:47 AM
I carry my camera in my chest rig, so it's quick access. That lets me catch great shots like this one of an unidentified biped that came through camp :eek:

SuperBadger
01-25-2010, 09:09 AM
Must have been on his way to admire the latrine....

oktec60
01-25-2010, 09:29 AM
What is the Obi-Wan Kenobi robe thing that Scot is sporting?

scothill
01-25-2010, 09:43 AM
Must have been on his way to admire the latrine....

While the latrine was a thing of beauty I was actually headed over to chat with Jason......

snakey2
01-25-2010, 10:23 AM
Very sorry that I missed it!!!!! After having ended up facing west in the east bound lane and then breaking loose a bit with chains on, still miles from the top, it seemed prudent that I retreat. I did learn that a 2 wheel drive Toyota pickup is NOT an appropriate snow vehicle. As it was I learned the road was closed for a period around 9 am which was just when I would have gone through had I continued so someone else had trouble too (maybe the guy pulling the trailer). When Sat. dawned beautiful I was kicking myself, what a day to be in the mountains. Glad I didn't have to brave the pass in Sunday's weather though. It looks like such a good time I will have to take a shot at the next one (maybe in a 4X4). I will continue to eat the pot of moose stew I made to bring for the next week. I believe that I will not be on call for the Mar. outing so maybe I can make that one.

Jason
01-25-2010, 01:51 PM
The Hill brothers outdid themselves again this year. The Rondy location was perfect-----although not immediately evident while coming in up hill in the dark! The next morning, things looked much brighter, literally.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010025.jpg

This year's Johnny was even better than last year's, which was a true accomplishment(no photo). I kinda missed the leg room and the bark once I got home! ;)

Here's KevinB's 12man, which served as the main hang-out.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010021.jpg

Tim and DP stayed in an 8man
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010029.jpg

Oldpinecricker got rugged in his 3 man Black Diamond
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010017.jpg

And I proved that a one man Hilleberg will in fact comfortably house a Neanderthal.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010008.jpg

Saturday turned out to be sunny and very enjoyable, and gave the opportunity for a lot of great conversation.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010027.jpg
L to R; Oldpinecricker, Tim in WA, ChristianH, DP, and Scot's knee

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010028.jpg
same spot, second shot

Sunday morning at 4:40am the wind picked up a little and the snow started coming in.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010033.jpg

Camp was torn down in record time and we all headed packed our pulks to head out
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010035.jpg

The trail going out was much prettier than coming in. It probably had something to do with daylight and more down grades.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010036.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/222Rem/WinterRondy2010038.jpg

disillusionedpatriot
01-25-2010, 08:05 PM
Nearby meadow Tim and I snowshoed to:
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8992/swampy.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/swampy.jpg/)


http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9694/dpatswampy.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/dpatswampy.jpg/)

Attempt at photo of ridge in distance:
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4575/scenery.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/scenery.jpg/)

Inside the 12 man:
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5896/img0081zq.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/img0081zq.jpg/)

Hanging out:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8425/hangingoute.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/hangingoute.jpg/)

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4130/hangingout2.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/hangingout2.jpg/)

Chopping:
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7524/chopping.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/chopping.jpg/)

12 and 8:
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8549/12and8.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/12and8.jpg/)

8 man with 4 dog Ti:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2556/8man.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/8man.jpg/)

Return to the parking lot:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2544/returning.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/returning.jpg/)

disillusionedpatriot
01-25-2010, 08:08 PM
Two Sleds Chris:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2108/twosledsjason.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/twosledsjason.jpg/)

Rockpile
01-25-2010, 08:31 PM
Looks like a great trip. What kind of sleds did you use for your pulks? Are they the ones available from Ace hardware? What size? I am looking to upgrade/beef up my pulks and yours look like the direction I am heading. Thanks.

David in OR
01-25-2010, 08:36 PM
Sorry I missed it. Looking forward to March. What did you guys shoot?

Jason
01-25-2010, 09:13 PM
pulks? Are they the ones available from Ace hardware? What size?

They're available elsewhere, but I bought mine from Ace. It measures 5'x2'x10"deep.

Rockpile
01-25-2010, 09:15 PM
Thanks. What did you use for poles and hardware?

Jason
01-25-2010, 09:48 PM
For the traces, I used 5' lengths of 1/2" schedule 40 PVC pipe with 3/8" rope threaded through them. I tied a loop in one end, which creates a knot that won't pull through the pipe, then stretched the rope as tight as possible before tying a loop in the other end. I then use carabiners to attach both ends of both traces to the sled and the webbing on my pack belt. Yes, there's a fair amount of slop in the system, but for the cost and the bullet proof simplicity, I don't mind.

evanhill
01-26-2010, 07:03 AM
I believe that's 16" deep Jason. Nothing falls out, including kids. The manufacturer is Pelican.

Tim in Washington
01-26-2010, 07:10 AM
Evan and Scott,thanks again for putting all yhis together
Tim

scothill
01-26-2010, 08:42 AM
Guns shot:

S&W M&P15 -22
S&W 657 4"
Glock 20
Bowen Ruger Bisley .44
Freedom Arms .454 aka 38 1/2
Taurus .22

Chris has some pictures of penetration on wood round. Interesting stuff. Not real scientific, but lots of fun.

Jason
01-26-2010, 01:03 PM
I believe that's 16" deep Jason. Nothing falls out, including kids. The manufacturer is Pelican.

Mine is a Pelican, but the sides are only 10" deep. The bottom width is 16" though. Maybe that's why mine was cheaper from Ace than the ones sold at the MilSurp store in Bend?

disillusionedpatriot
02-01-2010, 09:45 AM
Anyone lose a headlamp. I came home with three, one more that I started with, I think.

David in OR
02-01-2010, 10:05 AM
Anyone lose a headlamp. I came home with three, one more that I started with, I think.

I did! Oh, wait, that was last year. At Red Rocks.

evanhill
02-01-2010, 10:33 AM
Christian, how about those pictures from the bullet penetration goof off?

christianh
02-02-2010, 01:47 PM
Pics will be coming as soon as I can get back home and find my cable for my camera. I can either post them here or in the firearms area - suggestions?. I will also try to get some pics comparing my pelican sled and the kifaru sled.

On the way back from the rondy I got into slushy snow from the rest area south of Shaniko to north of Moro. Stopped and helped out at a car wreck just south of Moro. A 64 y/o gentleman rolled his crew cab pickup. He had some neck deformity and pain from the roof collapsing about a foot and chest pain/shortness of breath from hitting the steering wheel. To complicate matters he was on long term blood thinner therapy for a previous heart condition. His passenger was uninjured.

Also, on the way back I got a text from my brother that my dad was admitted to the hospital for an obstructed bowel. Spent Monday with him at the hospital. He's doing fine now but probably won't get out until latter this week.

Went back to work for a 48 hour shift and then spent two days in classes in Seattle and visiting dad on the days I wasn't on the road. I am now back at work for another 48 hours and will be getting off Wednesday morning.

Project for Wednesday is to unpack the pile of gear on my living room floor and find my camera cable.

Timberline
02-02-2010, 03:04 PM
Impressive outing and reporting. I thoroughly enjoyed the narritive and the photos. Great outdoor stuff.

I also find myself amazed at how much gear you guys can transport into the outback with winter sleds. Gallons of milk, cases of beer, long-handled axes, frying pans and who knows what else. Really impressive compared to the spartan summer/fall backpacking camps I'm more used to. Geez, we think some colored powder in creekwater, rice, jerky and a Ti spork is really living.

I'm jealous.

evanhill
02-02-2010, 03:31 PM
Christian.... wow. You've had a week and a half of it! Glad we sent you on your way with a decent meal under your belt. The penetration tests weren't necessarily scientific, so it could go either way. Take your time.

Timberline, you forgot the most important element of luxury winter camping -- the car camping style 2.5" thermarests and all of the actual real life pillows that started coming out at bedtime. No pictures were taken of the pillows to protect the guilty. Ya know, I heard there was some sort of Colorado winter get together that you might be able to wrangle an invitation for to experience it yourself...

christianh
02-02-2010, 03:49 PM
Was just out in the parking lot at the hospital digging through the stuff in my jeep and came up with a cable. Let's see if i can get these pictures posted correctly the first time. Warning - virgin picture poster.




http://www.kifaruforums.net/picture.php?albumid=36&pictureid=279

Comparing the .38 1/2 (aka .454 Casull) and the 10mm - Cartridge with recovered projectile. R to L - 10mm 180gr Double Tap 1250fps, .454 Casull 360 gr Buffalo Bore @ 1425 fps, and 10mm 230 gr Double Tap @ 1120 fps (shed its gas check).

http://www.kifaruforums.net/picture.php?albumid=36&pictureid=277

All fired into pine round lengthwise at around 10 yds?

http://www.kifaruforums.net/picture.php?albumid=36&pictureid=278

.454 penetrated almost all of the way through (no suprise), the 10mm 180 gr was on a couple of inches short of the .454 penetration (a little bit of a suprise).

Wanderlustr
02-02-2010, 06:43 PM
Interesting stuff.
So the 180 gr 10mm had better penetration than the 230 gr 10mm? And it was just a couple inches short of the mighty 454?
Soft spot in the wood?

evanhill
02-02-2010, 10:23 PM
the wood was pretty uniform. you can see in the picture above. that's the 180 grain in the upper left hand corner of the left piece, the 454 in the upper right hand corner of the left piece, and the 230 grain partway up the right piece.

Jason
02-03-2010, 12:28 PM
Interesting stuff.
So the 180 gr 10mm had better penetration than the 230 gr 10mm? And it was just a couple inches short of the mighty 454?
Soft spot in the wood?

Yes, but the 180gr was an fmj with a much smaller meplat. That 230gr LBT was still very impressive, and would be the hands-down choice against bone and tissue.

oldpinecricker
02-03-2010, 04:44 PM
I want to thank the Hill Bros. for putting this gathering together, and for the good time we had. Thank Jason for bringing the beer.

For going in I was using skis and boots that were WAY to light and insubstantial. The outside of my leg (stabalizer muscles/tendons) killed me for several days after this rondy as the skinny skiis didn't offer the necessary support.

Thanks again Scott and Evan.

Jason
02-03-2010, 10:13 PM
If you makes you feel any better, I screwed up a knee with snow shoes too. You definitely take the prize for most rugged though. :)

evanhill
02-04-2010, 07:26 AM
Just strapping on those skinny skis with the plan to go anywhere but groomed tracks takes more cajones than I have... and Oldpinecricker made it look practical! Now *that* is rugged.

circles
02-10-2010, 07:22 AM
No disrespect intended, but I don’t think you boys are taking full advantage of the natural bounty the northwest can provide. I remember you had trouble with those lycra clad intruders probing your perimeter last year and this year you were completely over run. Loading up on cases of beer and bullets doesn’t seem to be working, so maybe you should go with more of a hearts-and-minds approach.

Break a nice trail up into a scenic bowl and set up the twelve man. But this time when those lycra clad intruders wander into camp invite them into the “warming hut” for some mulled wine and irish coffee. You need to tone down the 100% foliage outer layers, a little color would go a long way. You might even consider having one or two of you dress in drag as sort of a confidence decoy.

Make Love Not War

disillusionedpatriot
02-10-2010, 10:44 AM
No disrespect intended, but I don’t think you boys are taking full advantage of the natural bounty the northwest can provide. I remember you had trouble with those lycra clad intruders probing your perimeter last year and this year you were completely over run. Loading up on cases of beer and bullets doesn’t seem to be working, so maybe you should go with more of a hearts-and-minds approach.

Break a nice trail up into a scenic bowl and set up the twelve man. But this time when those lycra clad intruders wander into camp invite them into the “warming hut” for some mulled wine and irish coffee. You need to tone down the 100% foliage outer layers, a little color would go a long way. You might even consider having one or two of you dress in drag as sort of a confidence decoy.

Make Love Not War


It's not a bad idea. Maybe some adds in the local Craigslist Activities section. "Club" having an overnight camping "demonstration", sign up for limited sleeping spots, or just come by for the day. Send photos to assist with placement.

Jason
02-12-2010, 03:10 PM
Maybe it's just me, but it's hard to enjoy the natural bounty if I can guess how it votes.

Eye candy is always nice, but eventually they all want to start talking.

evanhill
02-12-2010, 04:01 PM
Speaking of which, the next one's coming up. As there's only a foot of snow on Ochoco Summit right now, looks to be the same location as last month unless someone else has a spot picked out.

christianh
02-12-2010, 06:11 PM
I'm good with that spot. Plenty of snow and the trail wasn't bad. If anyone is interested I would like to make a trip up to Bachelor to make some turns on the free ski lift.

SuperBadger
02-12-2010, 08:24 PM
I am fully expecting to be at the next one. I'll most likely have to be back in Portland Sunday night.

How friendly is the area for .22 shooting?

David in OR
02-13-2010, 12:55 AM
I plan to be there assuming my chained up s10 rear wheel drive pickup isn't foiled by nasty road conditions.

Jason
02-13-2010, 02:41 AM
Looking forward to it. My knee is just starting to feel better today, so it should be ready by the next Rondy.

snakey2
02-15-2010, 10:50 AM
I am hoping that I am between deliveries of equipment and am able to take the time. I will take a better vehicle this time if the weather is at all bad.