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TheSimpleton
10-17-2003, 08:54 AM
Here's a sniper's review:

http://www.snipershide.com/reviews/kifaru1.html

And the Backpacker article for 4-man:

http://www.backpacker.com/article/0,2646,3908,00.html

One for the Spike Camp by Danner:

http://www.oegmag.com/KifaruInternationalSpikeCampII.asp

And the Military Moron's site:

http://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/kifaru/kifaru2.html

I was thinking you should highlight that the tipi-style has 2 doors (important, often cited in, say, Panther Primitives) and the picture of the Para setup to demonstrate how very large it is. I forget the brand (Sierra?) but they have one about the size and shape of the para set up in an outdoor store here and it looks like a house, not like, say, the bivy-size Flashlight II. The amount of free air is everything for making a tent look and feel like a room and not a coffin.

Gee does this mean I have too little to do at work?

TS

Patrick
10-17-2003, 04:55 PM
Hey TS--

---I'm sure you work VERY hard.

---Panther Primitive????

---I should tell you that everybody who drops by the Shop here in Golden and actually SEES a ParaTipi is shocked by how big the thing is in real life. So I know exactly what you mean. How to convey that thru cyberspace or via a brochure, I've no clue. You?

---I thought we DO say most of our Tipis have two doors. Not knowing about Panther Primitive, but suspecting they, whoever/whatever "they" are, like two doors, I utterly concur. Way better than being "bottled up" with only one entrance/exit. Which is why I designed the things with two. It's about LIVING in them, right?

---How very thoughtful of you to post these links. I had forgotten about them. Must be the Geezer syndrome. Thank you.

TheSimpleton
10-19-2003, 01:06 PM
Well, tech support is an all-or-nothing job and we have great response times.

Panther Primitives does re-enactment tents in canvas from Viking era through the Civil War. Since they're another whole market I can say they have great products and service, out of W Va. Like all old gear though, everything they make is heavy as @#!! and will last generations.

Since their clients generally live weeks in the tent, or tour Rondevous like the Dead, they have a premium on things like clotheslines, headspace, ventilation, and versatility. Amazing how we all find the same things important no matter where we start. They also sell stoves for tents, running $200 and 80 pounds. And a genuine 16' tipi may be ideal to live in, but it needs 17-26' poles and I don't even want to guess at the weight of canvas. ...A Kifaru 12-man compares real well against them: that's a heavy load even for a truck.

To show the size, I'd just sub-link the para with the setup photos and two men and a dog sitting in it, a cooler between them. The tipis could be sublinked with setup info and a summer shot where it's acting as tarp: both doors open and the sides rolled up.

The pic with someone sitting at the door makes the 4-man seem small: the biggest problem I have with the 4-man (and I still haven't made up my mind on which one) is that in eastern woods you often can't find 12 clear--or flat--feet to pitch it on. 12' may sound small, but it's larger than a standard-sized bedroom and nearly as tall.

How about showing an 8-man with a full-sized bed and desk in it? That'll give a good idea of the size.

TS

Sgathak
10-19-2003, 01:59 PM
Good point about putting stuff inside of it.

Might be interesting to see a photo of a pile of stuff, then the tipi FILLED with the pile of stuff.

Sleeping pads, stoves, coolers, backpacks, etc etc etc all in a big pile... granted, it wouldnt be very functional filled with all that junk, but people relate better to what you can cram into something rather than how much space is left over... Like when you see the commercials showing what people can fit into a car, they cram those puppies with everything from christmas gifts to kayaks.

Patrick
10-19-2003, 06:13 PM
TS, sgathak--

Good ideas. We'll see what we can do.

BTW, I've personally toted 8 and 12 man tipis all over the Appalachians--from N. Ga. thru New Hampshire. There ARE pitching sites, and lots of 'em, for these tents. Funny how they turn up when you're looking for them. Remember--being floorless, you can pitch the tipis OVER stuff like bushes and rocks, which then become "furnishings" for laying out socks and such. But most often you'll find obstructionless sites. The 4 man is a piece of cake. I've rambled lots of ranges in NE, even the Catskills. Bet y'all didn't know that. Fact is, autumn in the NE mountains is mighty fine livin'. Winter isn't bad either, in a heated tent, because cold there is REALLY cold. You know what I mean TS.

NYJim
10-27-2003, 10:41 AM
Hey Patrick, As for showing size on the paratipi you might want to try laying out a couple of mattresses , even the cheap blue wal mart ones to show the size. Include the stove in the pics and people, etc.

The site <a href="http://www.backcounrty-equipment.com" target="_blank">http://www.backcounrty-equipment.com (http://www.backcounrty-equipment.com)</a> does this (click on more pics)with most of the tents and tarps they sell and I have found it helpfull.