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elmbow
09-11-2009, 04:35 PM
Much discussion has gone downstream here on the Kifaru message board about the sensibility of having a small game load dialed in for one's big game rifle. Patrick wrote a great article on it some years back and gave some load data to supplement the article. None other than the great Townsend Whelen was an early pioneer and proponent of doing the same. Now I've done enough of this type of development to know that it can be challenging, to say the least, to get a rifle that will shoot a low velocity load to point of aim at 50 yards when it is zeroed at 200+ yards with its big game load. Col Whelen was known to have remarked that if he couldn't get a rifle to do both, it had no place on his wilderness hunts.
I'd like to suggest that we start a repository, if you will, of load data for small game and big game loads, that work together in our different rifles and calibers. IOW, if you have a favorite .300 WSM, or 6.5-06, in a Mod 77 or NULA Ultralight, and you have developed a small game load that shoots to point of aim at 50 yards along with its big game counterpoint, add the data for both of those rounds to the repository for others to avail themselves of. I don't recall this ever being done and I've been floating around these parts for longer than most would like to remember. Maybe it would even warrant a sticky? This is going to be one of my upcoming winter projects and I'd like to see what others have been able to accomplish.

circles
09-11-2009, 06:06 PM
This is an excellent idea. I'm closing in on a 30-30 round using,180 gr Nosler Balistic Tips and 86 gr Hornady bullets.

Sawtooth
09-11-2009, 10:20 PM
elmbow,

Thanks for initiating this! I'll post my load data for my Weatherby Super Big Gamemaster 30-06 soon, when I've had more sleep and less 1554. :D Looking forward to 260 Rem load data (if anyone has it) because that's what I'm going to put together for Rachel for a first big game rifle. So, let's see what you all have!

Koop
09-12-2009, 03:16 AM
That 1554 is sure good stuff, isn't it? :)

Patrick
09-12-2009, 11:13 AM
Saw, try 17 1/2 gr. of IMR 4227, magnum primer, and cheap 120 gr. bullets.

If you can find any 100 grain bullets drop powder charge to 15 1/2 grains.

Re Rachel's first gun (and last for that matter) I heartily salute your choice of 260 Remington! Excellent!

Sawtooth
09-12-2009, 03:47 PM
Patrick,

Can I use the H4227 I use for my 30-06 mouse loads? Or do I need to use IMR? I wonder what's the difference?

RE: Rachel's first big game rifle. It'll be a Model 7. JonS and I talked about this last weekend while bowhunting. Lots of fun to think about putting this together for her.

Sawtooth
09-12-2009, 04:02 PM
Weatherby Super Big Gamemaster 30-06

Big Game Load:
Brass: Remington
Primer: CCI 200
Bullet: Nosler Partition 165 gr. .308
Powder: H4350 56 gr.

Small Game Load:
Brass: Remington
Primer: CCI 250
Bullet: Sierra Pro Hunter 125 gr. .308
Powder: H4227 19.5 gr.

Patrick
09-13-2009, 11:08 AM
Sure, go ahead and use the H4227. The powders are very close to identical. You've already used the H version with my IMR recipe with your '06 Small Game load; no reason not to continue wrt the recipe for the 260.

circles
10-31-2011, 02:17 PM
It took me while to finish working it out but here it is.

I shoot this out of a 24” contender carbine. I zero the 180 gr ballistic tips to hit point of aim at 100 yards. The reduced load hits point of aim at 25 yards and maybe .5” higher at 50 yards.

Big Game
Caliber: 30-30 Winchester
Brass: Remington
Primer: CCI 200
Bullet: Nosler 180 grain Ballistic Tip
Powder: 26.5 grains of IMR 3031
Velocity: 1920 FPS

Small Game
Caliber: 30-30 Winchester
Brass: Remington
Primer: CCI 200
Bullet: Hornady 86 grain, soft point, round nose,
Powder: 6.5 grains of Unique
Velocity: 1430 FPS

Wraith
11-04-2011, 05:47 PM
This is great info! Anyone have any load info for a 25-06?