Abu Sarhan "the wolf"

[Tim in Nevada]

Wolfie, Rumor is that Odai called himself Abu Sarhan "The Wolf". What is your take on that? Is he really a wolf too? Is he merely a predator, or is he a brutal killer and rapist? Tim

[Ebon Lupus]

Tim in Nevada,

I expect he was using the same misguided mythology to fire his view about wolves as you and many others here. I expect a lot of you think just like he did. I expect some of you will follow a similar fate like he is now following. I don't envy him at all; his lesson will be a very sad life devised by his own judgments. He'll most likely suffer as his victims suffered, regardless of how many lives it takes to see his judgments through.

Salve, Woof, & OM
Ebonlupus :o~

[Steele]

Further proof of how misguided society view of the wolf is.

[Tim in Nevada]

Steele, I didn't say that was society's view of the wolf, I said that is what he called himself. Is he a wolf also, or not? Tim

[Tim in Nevada]

Wolfie, answer the question. Did he actually think he was a wolf or not? I would think you, of all things, would have a unique insight into this monster from the wolf's point of view. Tim.

[Steele]

Considering the oppressive ways of the regime, he most likely chose that name to help install fear within his people. People normally associate the wolf as if it were a monster or “evil spawn of Satan”. That’s why I said what I did in my first post.
I doubt he knows what wolves are really like in the first place.

[Tim in Nevada]

What if he truly believed he was a wolf (either now, or in a previous life), how would we know if he was full of crap or genuine? Tim.

[Steele]

I am leaning more towards “full of crap” because to my knowledge no wolves live in Iraq, not even their zoo. I am sure he doesn’t even have a dog since he spends his time causing pain to others and gaining political control. I seriously doubt he has even read about wolves.

If he thinks he is a wolf, then it is not the wolf we have been talking about on these boards. Even then I could be wrong, especial since I do not know him nor can I talk to him.
If he lives by what he means when he says that, then that is as genuine as someone who does the same for their own belief (Pagan, Christian, Hindu, Atheist, or whatever regards their perspective on their spirituality).

However, his idea of the wolf is based in fiction, making his claim flawed.

[Ebon Lupus]

Steele,

**I am leaning more towards “full of crap” because to my knowledge no wolves live in Iraq, not even their zoo.**

I think you're right, no wolves in Iraq; except the domestic ones. I think the closest wolf to Iraq is Lupus arabs, and he's in Saudi Arabia. He's almost extinct, only a few hundred of his kind left. What makes Arabs even more endangered is that people don't care. Add to this inbreeding with domestic dogs and in just a few years Arabs will be history; like so many other species humanity has driven into the void.

This conversation isn't about wolf soul, it's about Tim in Nevada wanting to discredit and vilify me by comparing what I am to a murderer. I wasn't going to grace his bigotries with further comment, but as you've tried to explain your view I'll try to explain mine.

I've thought on this and my wolf tells me that Uday is no wolf soul; his personality traits did not follow the characteristics of a wolf. His euphemism "Abu Sarhan" was meant to play upon the corrupted psychology of the multitudes; the fear born of myth and ignorance which has plagued wolves since the great separation. Humankind put themselves above the other animals and wolves were made out to be hated killers and villains because he competed with man for land and food; man, of course, never shares anything, he just murders and steals what he likes. Uday wanted to be known as a killer and villain; he wanted people to fear him, so he used his misguided metaphor of the wolf to that end. He should have just called himself a patriot.

Salve, Woof, & OM
Ebonlupus :o~

From a wolf DNA study

Wolf localities: Bulgaria (n = 1, W7); Croatia (n = 5, W2); Estonia (n = 1, W10); France (n = 2, W4); Finland (n = 2, W10); Greece(n = 7; W2, W5, W8, and W9); Italy (n = 12, W4); Poland (n = 1, W3);Portugal (n = 19; W1 and W2); Romania (n = 4; W5 and W6); Russia (n = 3; W6, W10, and W26); Spain (n = 46; W1 and W3); Sweden(n = 2; W2 and W10); Afghanistan (n = 3, W18); China (n = 3; W14, W19, and W27); India (n = 1, W12); Iran (n = 6; W16 and W17); Israel (n = 16, W11); Saudi Arabia (n = 7; W7, W12, W13, W14, and W15);Turkey (n = 2, W2); Alaska (n = 3, W20); Alberta (n = 1, W22); Labrador (n = 3, W22); Mexico (n = 5, W25); Montana (n = 1, W22); Northwest Territories (n = 3, W22); and Yukon (n = 3; W21, W23, and W24).

[Ebon Lupus]

David,

Could you please exlain the key to this data?

Salve, Woof, & OM
Ebonlupus :o~

This is the key to a table on the polymorphisms found in the mtDNA control region in this phylogenetic mapping of wolves (and dogs).

n is the sample size and W is the haplotype number where the polymorphism was found.

Science. 1997 Jun 13;276(5319):1687-9
Multiple and ancient origins of the domestic dog.

The relevant thing is that there are wolves in Iran so possibly Iraq as well, if they inhabit the border mountains.

[Ebon Lupus]

David,

You're right, there's Lupus pellipes in Iran and India. There could indeed be a few of those roaming the frenges of Iraq.

Lupus pellipes measures 18-30 inches in height and weighs 55-70 pounds. The fur is short and brown colored and the ears are large. This wolf is threatened by interbreeding of domestic dogs, habitat loss, and the depredation of human beings. There are less than 1000 of these wolves in Iran.

Salve, Woof, & OM
Ebonlupus :o~

[Tim in Nevada]

Ebon Lupos, my intent was not to compare you to that monster, but I wanted to know if he actually thought he was a wolf or not. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Maybe more people share the same condition as you (the part about being a wolf).

[Ebon Lupus]

Tim in Nevada,

Fair enough, Tim. I get attacked a lot for various reasons. I'm well conditioned to being an azzhole toward azzholes.

There are a LOT of people like me, but few as vocal about it, for obvious reasons. Uday was no Wolf. Uday was more likely a very young soul who has far to go... His path won't be an easy one.

Salve, Woof, & OM
Ebonlupus :o~

[Sundles]

Ebon,

I guess your wolf didnt tell you that you had realatives in Iraq. Even I knew that there were wolves in Iraq.

There were also several wolves in Idaho before the reintroduction took place. I ran into wolves more than once in the "middle fork" during the late 1980's and ealry 1990's. Those wolves ahd not formed any large packs and they posed no problem that I knew of.