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07-07-2006, 11:51 AM
Just wondering if anyone has any experience and recomendations about their sleeping bags. I am looking for a lightweight 3 season bag.

07-07-2006, 12:33 PM
I've got one and I dislike it. The foot end is sewn in a way that is very uncomfortable for me (it's a kind of wedge shape and the liner is at 90 degrees to the filling) also too heavy for the temp. I tend to buy British so I'd reccommend a mountain Equipment military bag.

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07-07-2006, 12:43 PM
Go here for "Wiggy's vs. Snugpak Merlin":


Once there, click on "Outdoor Gear" in left column. This brings you to the "Outdoor Gear" page. Scroll down about 2/3 to read the review.

Also check these sites out for reviews:
<a href="http://www.trailspace.com" target="_blank">http://www.trailspace.com (http://www.trailspace.com)</a>
<a href="http://www.backpackgeartest.org" target="_blank">http://www.backpackgeartest.org (http://www.backpackgeartest.org)</a>

07-07-2006, 01:25 PM
I have one of the Ecotat lightweight bags (http://www.combatreform.com/lwsb.htm) and from playing around with it I like it pretty well. From what I have read these use Lamilite insulation &amp; dry very fast. A guy on Lightfighter forum had some of these and may have more if you are interested.

I used to like the Arktis HALO until I used it last weekend and a seam popped loose after about 10 nights(consistent with bad Arktis reviews I have seen.) Hate to mention it on here, but Wiggy's has a new Summer Bag that seems to be the same layout/weight as the Snugpak/Arktis bags and is almost certainly of higher quality.

07-07-2006, 02:54 PM
1/19, This dosent answer your question, and you may be aware of this, but KIFARU has a bag in the works.

07-07-2006, 03:05 PM
I used to have a snugpak softie 'merlin' (the bag rated to 5 - 0 deg C), and was not happy with it. The bag itself was well enough made for the money, but the rated temperature was (IMHO) way off. More like 5 - 10 degC, than 0. As a 3 season setup, it would probably be OK, but since I got roughly the same performance out of my poncho liner (modified with a zip up the side and across the foot), in a bivy bag, I really couldn't see the point.
JMHO, you may find it will work fine for you.
I went with a lightweight mountaineering bag from Paddy Pallin, and never looked back.
I'll be interested to see how Kifaru's bag turns out.....

Cheers, Dave.

07-08-2006, 12:28 AM
First off I consider myself a hot sleeper.
I will often wear shorts and a Tshirt when others are in long pants and wearing fleece.

I reckon the Softpak bag I own ( a Softie 12 - I think it was called a 'kestrel'), which I bought atround 1993 or so was perfectly adequate in temp rating and design.

I have been looking a for a replacement for it this year as after 12 or so years and something like 15-20 washings it is losing loft and insulating power.
However I think for a 12 year old bag that is pretty good, especially given that it has spent long periods stored cin it's stuff sack, compressed in packs etc and generally not babied.

I think it was better designed than my Wifggs Kif Special which I recently bought off of ebay.
The rating for the Wigy;s bag is not all that realisitc - it is assymetical in that the top is rated at 20degF and the bottom at 30degF, but I'd say the top is stretching at about 30degF and the bottom cold at 30degF.

Though in fairness to the Wiggy's Kif Special that bag was designed as a minimlaist lightweight bag, and the bottom has only a single layer of insualtion, so perhaps other Wiggy's bags more provide more realistic ratings.

I'm currently considering the Integral Designs Renaissance (because I recently bought a Primaloft jacket and love its warmth and compressablity) and have heard relaly good things about ID bags.
Based the performance of my Primaloft Jacket I have no doubts on the insulating power and compressability of Primaloft.

The other bag I am waiting for is of course the Kifaru bag which is apparenlty due out at the end of the northern summer.

07-11-2006, 04:37 AM
Once again, I have to mention that while it is true that some makers are a bit optimistic in their ratings, bag rating is very difficult. Some sleep hot, others cold (me), some prefer minimal sleep garments others dress warmly. There is also considerable variation in padding underneath. A quality maker tries to get a reasonable average of sample users but there is no unbiased standard to use.

Bottom insulation packs down with body weight, especially in the shoulder, hip and heel area so insulation underside is really only good for filling in gaps. Using less compressible pad or pads is the ticket for extreme cold.

Maintaining the bag is also important. If at all possible I try to air the bag daily and expose to direct sunlight for an hour or so. This dries the bag and the UV in sunlight sterilizes.

Best thing, I think, is to get some experience. Using a quality bag try it out. I have a low-recording thermometer I got from Campmor years ago (they may still have these)which helps to remove estimating error.

Generally speaking, a bag with good detailing (hood, draft tube, box construction etc.) will be warmer than one without these.

Although I am a natural optimist, I have always figured it would be colder and wetter than I planned for so tend to go for a colder rating than maybe the season calls for. Works for me.

08-04-2006, 02:55 PM
My review of a Snugpak Black Tactical 3 (which took me near 4 months to get from <a href="http://www.botactactical.com)" target="_blank">http://www.botactactical.com (http://www.botactactical.com)))</a>

Purchased this sleeping bag for my BOB without giving a proper review:


I've taken this bag on about half a dozen hikes thus far and the only thing I can say is "WoW"

The bag is very very warm. As far as I can tell, there are no cold spots what so ever.

The only real downside to this bag is its outer shell. The bag is made with a slick lining that promotes its small stuffing size. When one couples this slick bag with something like my thermarest pad (slick as hell in its own right) you have a problem.

While camping recently, I had to be careful and make sure I had my ass wedged firmly onto a boulder when I rolled over to change positions. Otherwise, I"d wake up hearing an eerie zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZiiiiiiiiiPPPP!!!! followed by *Thud!* as I hit my 100lb Kifaru Pack of doom at .72 mach.

The best thing about this bag is its size. Take a look at the photo for an idea.


Looking at the photo, its a bit hard to grasp the size of this bag. Think the length of a football, the width, but instead of cones at the tips, fill in the void space.

Total weight is about 3lbs.

Edit: I realize now that I've forgotten to add any specifics.

Brigade Quartermaster\'s Website (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=8916&amp;M5COPY%2Ectx=24610&amp;M5%2Ectx=3 545&amp;M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Bivouac%20%2D%20Sleeping%20Bag s%2C%20Shelters%2C%20Modular%20Sleep%20Systems%2C% 20Bivy%20Bags&amp;level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&amp;query%2Ec tx=snugpak%20black%20tactical%204&amp;backto=%2Fagcata log%2Fresults%2Etam)

The above link is where you can purchase the Snugpak Black Tactical 4. Don't let the name throw you off, it's got all the features I was looking for. Namely it was small, very warm and synthetic. I can't help it that they put a stupid damn name on it /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif