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bbc1969
06-26-2006, 02:53 PM
I recently joined the Kifaru scene and was really pleased to have the Express and E&E delivered just before leaving on Vacation.

I decided to used the E&E as my carry-on. I needed to add some pouches, but had not had a chance to obtain what I was looking for before I left, so I improvised. I wanted to be able to carry the usual vacation gear; Camera, small flashlight, small first aid kit, rain jacket, as well as documents, and intineraries. Plus I wanted to be able to fit my duty weapon and associated gear.

What I did have on hand was a AIRSAVE Survival Vest w/pouches. A couple of those as well as a plat-a-tac strobe pouch, John Willis IFAK pouch, and A2 light pouch filled in nicely.

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The John Willis pouches went great with the E&E, great products! Quality is outstanding on both the Kifaru and J.W. stuff.

The Issue pouches, well different story. They worked well for this purpose, but was very illustrative of the quality that goes into well built custom gear, vs. lowest bidder.

Cell phones went in the issue pouch on the left side. Creds, travel documents and the like in the large issue pouch. Camera in the Plat-a-tac. I did not have any malice-clips ordered at the time, so I just used the compression straps threaded thru, then clipped to hold the IFAK. Worked great for this light duty use. Plenty of room left inside for my weapon, as well as a light rain jacket, and other odds and ends you want to carry on.

Sorry for the picture size, am still "learning" about resizing for posting purposes.

Ralph
06-26-2006, 07:18 PM
Resizing to 400 pixels wide is good. The software I use (mostly Thumbs Plus) makes this a few second operation.

If you have any problems with this, e-mail the photos to me, I'll resize them and e-mail them back to you.

DNW
06-27-2006, 06:37 AM
These threads on E&E projects are the ugliest things I have ever seen, and are nothing I would want to have to carry around.

I love the E&E, and my other Kifaru items, but it looks like people are trying make a bigger pack out of a small pouch desinged to be used in emergencys as a pack.

Kifaru, How about a hydration type pack in the size range of the Camelbak HAWG or Talon, that can be used as a hydration bag, or light assault bag. No frame stays, but the option of using a omni-belt. I can see a huge demand for this.

For gods sake please no more E&E lego projects... /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

bbc1969
06-29-2006, 03:49 PM
I understand what you are saying about trying to make a pack do something its not made for. That was not my intent.

When I buy gear I want to get as much use out of it as possible, and I don't care if the colors match, ect.

I wouldnt try and use the E & E to take the place of a large pack for use in the field, but for this duty it did just fine.

Its planned use is as a small supplemental survival/gear bag in the plane and truck. A couple small pouches on the provided ladders will work great for a "few" additional items.

tree_entz
07-06-2006, 06:54 AM
hmmm.......so are the PALS just for bic pens then?

panzertroop
07-06-2006, 07:29 AM
Is the strobe pouch issue? I have been looking for one of those in OD. I understand the whole lego thing. It amazing to me how many pouches people will put on pack. I have been stripping my bags of all the extra pouches and keeping it simple as possible, it really reduces the weight. I like the EE with a simple small admin type pouch on the front. That works fine.

tree_entz
07-06-2006, 08:04 AM
Panzer, I have a similar set-up to what you are describing. an E&E w/ a spec ops admin, and I dont think it's ugly (i dont have the means to post photos). I love my e&e (it goes everywhere), but I do respect it's purpose.
I know some guys have gotten a bit carried away on here, but people are just experimenting.
If anything, it highlights the need for one more inbetween pack.........which is what I think Patrick and Mel have in the works /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

BTW, I dont see any reason why you couldnt' put a hyd[r]o bladder in the E&E......why bother w/ CB when you've got KIFARU!
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westrek49
07-06-2006, 10:12 AM
bbc1969 - thanks for posting your photos. I can see the point that adding lots of pockets might seem like overkill but, especially for carry-on purposes, it makes sense. Panzertroop and Tree_entz have the right idea. If it works for you, who cares how it looks or if the pockets don't match. I add small pockets as needed but take most off when I dock my E & E to my marauder.

I used my E & E to carry a hydrobladder (in the front pouch provided), GPS (on straps or side), backup compass (TT strobe/compass pouch), first aid kit (in the emdom small utili-shingle), windbreaker, etc, the other day while mapping landslides in Southern California. It worked great and I didn't need anything bigger for a day in the field. My maurader is too big for what I was doing, jamming down brush covered ridge lines.

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My clipboard fits inside the pack and I can add whatever I want to the outside as needed. The setup is really very comfortable for carrying a water bladder, works as well as camelbaks that I've used, plus has options. At the end of the day it fits right back on my marauder and goes back to work as part of the pack - pretty cool. I do carry pens on the PALS by the way /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

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Aimless
07-08-2006, 03:52 AM
I know people groan at the photos of an E&E cobjobbed out to a week long Everset climbing pack, but I still get a kick out of the E&E lego pack threads.

I've been pretty happy playing with the E&E as a day pack. It rides well and is small enough to not get caught on brush as much as a bigger pack, plus it makes me leave some junk home /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

bbc1969
07-08-2006, 08:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by panzertroop:
Is the strobe pouch issue? I have been looking for one of those in OD. </div></div>Panzer, The strobe pouch is from Plat-a-tac, out of Australia. Quality is good. Another Australian company-SORD offers great gear as well.

<a href="http://www.platatac.com" target="_blank">http://www.platatac.com (http://www.platatac.com)</a>

<a href="http://www.sordaustralia.com" target="_blank">http://www.sordaustralia.com (http://www.sordaustralia.com)</a>

fireballxl5
07-11-2006, 10:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by bbc1969:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by panzertroop:
Is the strobe pouch issue? I have been looking for one of those in OD. </div></div>Panzer, The strobe pouch is from Plat-a-tac, out of Australia. Quality is good. Another Australian company-SORD offers great gear as well.

<a href="http://www.platatac.com" target="_blank">http://www.platatac.com (http://www.platatac.com)</a>

<a href="http://www.sordaustralia.com" target="_blank">http://www.sordaustralia.com (http://www.sordaustralia.com)</a> </div></div>WRT Platatac strobe pouches, I bought two, and they have a problem for strobe use in that they do not let you fold the cover/lid back over the front of the pouch and use the strobe in the pouch like the old issue SDU5 pouches do.

The problem is the cover/lid sides are sewn up quite high to accomocate the top PALs web, which you can see in the top and second pic.

For this reason I'd carefully consider how you envisage using the pouch/stobe before buying a Platatac strobe pouch.
Quality is fine, just the design is not optimal for actual strobe use in the pouch.

Nathan C
07-26-2006, 02:16 PM
Just so you kids know my current E&amp;E has a mag shingle on the sides; a frag, smoke and strobe pouch on the front, and that's it. No lego experiment on the ACU one :p
I set it up roughly based off of the 3rd line of a guy(basicload) from LF.net, dicussion here Combat loadouts (http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9046084761/m/9261075332?r=1421035632#1421035632)

Hanzo
07-26-2006, 03:49 PM
I haven't used their strobe pouch, but almost my entire chest rig set up is from SORD. Good prices, great gear and excellent customer support. Big thumbs up to those guys.