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ZS Gunny
02-23-2006, 01:07 PM
Lads,

I wanted to share something that I learned over on the LF forums. A (IMO) high-speed way to carry both para-cord and a lightstick is to simply do the following:

Grab a lightstick in its original foil packaging.

Gather up around 10' of Para-cord, with both ends burned to prevent fraying. (between 9.75 and 10.25 feet of para-cord will work)

Simply wrap your light stick with the paracord tightly and secure with what ever tape you happen to have. I used 90mph tape for this experiment.

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Here's a few reasons why:

1. Its an easy way to carry 10' of paracord. The paracord wrap makes your lightstick roughly a few centimeters fatter, but much more useful.

2. The paracord can be used to tie onto your lightstick to: mark a trail, to tie onto the back of a truck (follow that truck stupid), or if desired, can be used as a signaling device when spun in a circle.

3. The paracord actually helps shock insulate your lightsticks, which will prolong their useful life and prevent accidential activation.

Any thoughts?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/allusakid/BradsBOB039_edited.jpg

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Lastly I wanted to demonstrate the capabilities of the Kifaru Pullout system.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/allusakid/11Thermal.jpg

This picture is of a large Kifaru Pullout stuffed with a pair of very heavy thermal baselayers with a set of columbia wool socks and not shown is a beanie I keep in there as well. I believe I could fit another pair of wool socks in this system if I wanted to. The leatherman XTi is for size reference.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/allusakid/1Thermal_edited.jpg

The same Pullout with contents revealed.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/allusakid/1ThermComp_edited.jpg


Here's another angle showing the loft of the thermals and the compression capable within the Kifaru pullouts.

Alright, that's enough with the pictures for tonight.

ThePrepared_com
02-23-2006, 01:22 PM
That is a good idea for carrying some paracord but I prefer the paracord bracelet.

http://www.theprepared.com/images/projects/bracelet/11.jpg

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemi d=49

fireballxl5
02-23-2006, 01:47 PM
ZS Gunny:

Nice one.
Which size is that pullout please?

ZS Gunny
02-23-2006, 02:59 PM
Fireball,

You're looking at a large pullout. Keep in mind, it wasn't stuffed to capacity.

I'm a big fan of Kifaru's pullout system simply because if it gets cold, I can pull out one pouch and know that there's a beanie, socks, and a good thermal underlayer all in one place. Beats the hell out of searching through your kit to get warm.

Chucker
02-23-2006, 03:41 PM
+1 on the use of the pullouts, Gunny.

I really didn't imagine a strong need (for me) to get pullouts until I saw MM using them at SHOT. Surprisingly, they do hold a lot.

Nathan C
02-23-2006, 03:44 PM
I get a set of pullouts with just about every order. Never can have enough /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

rambler_wannabe
02-23-2006, 04:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by ThePrepared_com:
That is a good idea for carrying some paracord but I prefer the paracord bracelet.

http://www.theprepared.com/images/projects/bracelet/11.jpg

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=80&amp;Itemi d=49 </div></div>That is the perfect scout project. cool. I may use that pattern as zipper pulls, too. About 3 foot would make a good zipper pull, I think.

ThePrepared_com
02-23-2006, 04:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by rambler_wannabe:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by ThePrepared_com:
That is a good idea for carrying some paracord but I prefer the paracord bracelet.

http://www.theprepared.com/images/projects/bracelet/11.jpg

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=80&amp;Itemi d=49 </div></div>That is the perfect scout project. cool. I may use that pattern as zipper pulls, too. About 3 foot would make a good zipper pull, I think. </div></div>I use them for just about everything. Have one as a key chain and it works really well. Makes it so you could swing your keys for defense if need be.

Hanzo
02-23-2006, 05:09 PM
What's wrong with daisy chains? You just use as much as you need rather than undoing the whole mess.

ZS Gunny
02-24-2006, 08:36 AM
Lol I start a thread about wrapping lightsticks and it degrades into talks of bracelets. Sigh, buncha mooks :p

thewolverine
02-24-2006, 09:03 AM
great lightstick use and a question for theprepared.
Do you use the inner strings of the 550 to attach the buttons?

ThePrepared_com
02-24-2006, 09:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by thewolverine:
great lightstick use and a question for theprepared.
Do you use the inner strings of the 550 to attach the buttons? </div></div>Nope, just used black nylon thread. You could probably use the inner threads if you wanted.

ZS Gunny
02-24-2006, 01:05 PM
I'd love to know if any of our service members are using the lightstick idea in the field. Thanks.

Hanzo
02-24-2006, 02:11 PM
ZSGunny,

I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I probably would not have. Daisy chains or simply wrapping the 550 cord on itself was the norm with us. As far as light sticks go...we almost never used them. They're nice because they don't need batteries, but...you can't turn them off which can be really REALLY bad at times.

Nathan C
02-24-2006, 02:56 PM
The new battery lightsticks are slowly taking over. The only thing we used them for is marking obstacles and turns on routes. Oh and giving them to IP's. "Light, mister light!"

Other than that we just chucked at each other at night for entertainment. If you can get your hands on the infared, occasionally we'd put those on our truck antenna's. But again strobes and battery lightsticks are taking that role as well.

AbnMedOps
02-25-2006, 11:17 AM
I guess I'm missing something.. I've read this light stick idea a couple times and am somehow failing to understand the benefit of wrapping 550 cord around you chemlights. What do you do with the 10' wad of cord you're left holding after pulling it off the light?

ThePrepared_com
02-25-2006, 11:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by AbnMedOps:
I guess I'm missing something.. I've read this light stick idea a couple times and am somehow failing to understand the benefit of wrapping 550 cord around you chemlights. What do you do with the 10' wad of cord you're left holding after pulling it off the light? </div></div>Details details! /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

ZS Gunny
02-26-2006, 10:30 AM
Doc:

Who doesn't need some paracord? For example, I just got back from camping in a downpour and used this system to make:
A: A close line for drying over a campfire

B: Extra lashing for my hammock

C: A lightstick to read by after sunset.

Ideally, if you carry 5 lightsticks, 2-3 of them would be done up this way. Hell, this system even makes a survival fishing kit in a pinch. Simply unwrap the lightstick and remove the paracord's strands. Knot each 10' strand together, or double them up to make your line a bit stronger.

If fishing under a tree overhang at night, break the stick and strand tie it over the water, providing an attractant for the fish.

This concept is limited only by a lack of imagination.