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02-04-2008, 09:49 AM
It struck me on the way home that a rondy is kind of like the adult version of a BSA backpacking trip. Sure, you're getting out and enjoying the woods, but the biggest part of the fun is sitting around camp swamping stories. What a great time! Some things that were learned:

<ul> "You don't *have* to lie, none of us care" When you're traveling with a 60+ year old, it is important to know the "cardiac blow"... just in case 3 five foot lengths of 2x4 makes a great compact, lightweight tipi pole and stove platform Although entertaining, it may not be the best idea to leave a lighter sitting underneath a woodstove A toilet made out of snow will quickly separate the men from the boys When camped in a snow park, it might be a good idea to post armed guards to avoid getting plowed under by a snow plow first thing in the morning "What are you having for breakfast?".... "oatmeal, and your mom's homemade cookies that you brought" Make sure that you brought your earplugs *before* you invite unknown parties to sleep in your 8-man One minute you're thinking that you're the only guy with a gun and maybe you should put your .22 away, and the next minute you're feeling undergunned...[/list]

There were probably other things learned, but these were the most important lessons.

On to the pictures.

First night's camp, just before the crazy snow plow driver got serious:

Scot and Karl doing community service work:

Karl and I heading out to recon the trail and camping spot. I let Karl break trail. He's the one who's in training!:

We met up with the group on our way back in. From left to right - Super Badger (aka pdx_dvx_abc_xyz), Buck, Allen, Scot, Karl:

Back in the lot, preparing to pack camp in:

Headed in. Still snowing - just like it has been for the last 3 weeks:


Getting started on "the great stamp out":

Buck and Patrick looking at the "big little little big knife":

Swapping stories:


Karl demonstrating the "Hotshot mentality" as he tries out full length skins for the first time... "I can go straight uphill with these!":




Karl headed out to get home at a reasonable time:

Cookie break while packing up camp:

Loading up:

Headed out:




A couple of pictures I took on the way home:



And, saving the best for last:


02-04-2008, 10:01 AM
GREAT! Looks like a grand time, with LOTS of snow.

02-04-2008, 10:38 AM
Nice pictures Evan! I definitely learned a thing or two on this trip.
<ul> A pot of chili, corn bread, and bottled guiness is light weight backpacker food when you have a pulk. Buck makes some mean chili and Mother Badger makes some good cookies. Expect to be under gunned when you bring a .22 pistol to the NWWR. Don't believe a group of kifaru forum members when they say they are "unarmed" and "guns are bad". You cannot be a cinematographer without seeing "Red Dawn". Skins work! You can't have enough knives. Its OK for a hotshot to look down on trail crew people. Its dangerous to go into a badger den when he's eating![/list]

I'm sure I'll have more later. It was definitely a good time and look forward to doing it again next year with people I know consider friends.


02-04-2008, 10:51 AM
Its OK for a hotshot to look down on trail crew people.

Yeah I guess the view of people actually working is at a downward angle from a pretty shiny truck driving around. It was a good thing you wore your shot crew stocking cap otherwise we wouldn't have known the exatled company we were keeping. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

02-04-2008, 11:12 AM
Special thanks to Evan, the group's organizer. If not for someone making the phone calls, writing the e-mails and doing the organization behind the scenes, these fun get-togethers wouldn't happen and we'd never get to know some of the various characters on this message board.

Shelters are up and we are busy making wood. Karl cracking the supervisor whip...

Quite the assortment of gear available to try out...

Our cinematographer was able to perform some tweaks to my camera to get this shot of our luxurious wintertime haven...

PDX turning of age. Thoughtful guy that he is, Evan surpised him (and everyone else) with a calorie laden cheesecake. It was hard to find room for it though after having gorged on Buck's outstanding homemade chili and cornbread. But, somehow we managed. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif



The educational remains of our last morning's bit of entertainment...The "DANGER! EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE!" warning sticker turns out to have been put there for a reason.

Camp...LTR, Paratipi, 8-man and 4-man...

Some wintry gear shots...


Evan applying wax...

Pelican Pulk outfitted with kiddo insulation. Plenty of room for gear.

Super Badger!!! This Eagle Scout is pretty well equipped and definitely has the "be prepared" thing down pat.

PDX, Scot, Evan and Buck getting ready to pack up camp.

OR Wildfire stowing his gear for the haul-out, heck of a nice guy with a great sense of humor that I'm glad to have finally met in person...

Buck "The Beast" W, shown here exiting the 8-man for height illustration. He's the strapping type of fellow that makes a Longhunter look like a Spike Camp.

Is it just me, or does that BA IAC mummy look a tad small? Think a Downmat 9DLX might be in order?

Speaking of sizable fellows that can good-naturedly tell others "Ah, you're just a little guy." and get away with it...

Nothing like heading out in Winter Storm Warning conditions - but, no big deal with the heated Kifaru shelters. It was interesting to see, handle and use the different types of gear that was available. The Wetterling and Gransfor Brux, while great axes, the shape of their heads proved to be no match for the superior splitting abilities of the lightweight Gerber axe.

Had a blast fellas...hope to see you all again during the NW Summer Rondy!


02-04-2008, 12:17 PM
Nice pictures everyone. Looks like it was quite an adventure and a cold one at that!! I'll have to hear "the REST of the stories" at the NW Rondy in July. Looks like I'll have to get a bit more "winter gear" before I attempt to trek out there with you mountain men next time.

02-04-2008, 12:27 PM
As usual a great write-up of an outstanding trip. I think that work is something I need to figure a way out of so I don't miss any more. Looks like lots of fun. Sorry to have missed seeing the old friends and not getting to meet the new ones. The summer rondi can't come soon enough.

02-04-2008, 04:33 PM
Great pic's! Look at all that snow!...awesome.

Looks like a load of fun.

I think I shoot more .22's at the ECR than anything else...lol...

Ed C
02-04-2008, 05:45 PM
<span style="color: #66FFFF"> BURRRRRRR /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif</span>

Woods Walker
02-04-2008, 06:15 PM
Nice. Oh man my area is like a poster child for Al Gore. Not a lick of snow.

Woods Walker
02-04-2008, 06:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ken</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great pic's! Look at all that snow!...awesome.

Looks like a load of fun.

I think I shoot more .22's at the ECR than anything else...lol... </div></div>

Ken did you get a chance to shoot my Chipmunk .22 last year. A fearsome beast for sure. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif

02-04-2008, 06:27 PM
Ed C,

nice work with the blue letters!

02-04-2008, 06:53 PM
Thanks guys for the great photos and report. I REALLY wanted to go this year but a nasty little influenza bug decided to make me hers for the week instead. I finally woke up this morning feeling close to normal, and glad to be alive. I'm glad you guys had a fun time, and I'm looking forward to the next rondy.

02-04-2008, 07:07 PM
I echo Alan with a big thanks to Evan for organizing and Scot for proding.


Until I get my B faller Cross Cut cert I guess I'll have try and look up to trail crew people. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

idaho lad
02-04-2008, 07:34 PM
Looks like a good time and I intended to go and had all the gear and a sled built for such an occasion, but road closures and very heavy snows on my roofs forced me to stay home. This really ticks me off as I was really looking forward to attending.

I got to go to Eugene and have Snakey blow thru some rounds at longer ranges the day we got that heavy nasty snowfall in the Columbia Gorge. At least I kept one committment, but the drive home was unreal for snowfall.

02-04-2008, 08:18 PM
Great trip report guys. Looks like plenty of snow, gear, food and comaraderie. Sorry I couldn't make it, but I was busy shoveling snow and busting ice out of the gutters.

Thanks again to Evan for taking the ball and running with it to put together a nice winter outing. Do think the trip in was 'only 6 miles' or closer to 8? /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

See you this summer!

02-04-2008, 09:45 PM
Alright PDX, cough up the pictures!

02-05-2008, 05:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">with people I now consider friends</div></div>

+1 on that Karl

02-05-2008, 07:34 AM
Do you want pictures of the weekend or last night? /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif I think the Super Badger may be a bit under the weather this morning.

In the spirit of honesty, I always though the idea of a crew tshirt was pretty cool. Well as long as they had a good design. My last year I finally made it happen by being the driving force. Plus it was a crew I was proud to be associated with.

02-05-2008, 08:23 AM
Sorry I missed the get-together, sounds like it was a lot of fun.

My excuse is in the pictures below, I've been working all of my spare time getting in a foundation so I have some extra space for hobbies and more gear.




Buck W
02-05-2008, 12:34 PM
As you all know by now the Rondy was a success continuing in the fine NW tradition of hiking (or skiing) in to our camp site.

I'd like to extend sincere thanks to:

Evan for organizing the event.
Allen for convincing me to go Friday morning, driving and putting me up in his 8-man Hilton.
Scot for tons of firearms information which is still arriving in my PM inbox.
Evan and Scot for bringing all of their xc ski gear/snowshoes which they generously lent to others for T&E as well as for the helpful coaching.
Karl for supplying several of us with Tyvek.
Patrick (Super Badger) for the most excellent chocolate chip cookies which were supplied in large number...a must have survival food.

New gear that worked well:
Komperdell C3 Trekking Poles. Thanks, Sawtooth.
Patagonia MicroPuff pants (green) which extended the comfort rating of my sleeping bag. They were enabled by Super Badger with strong assists from Smokepole and Levi.

Gear to think about:
Karhu Karver skis..much faster and easier than snowshoes, and almost as versatile.
Downmat 9DLX. I also had a case of "back rest envy" /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Must have self defense item for the next Rondy: Earplugs
I was amazed at how the "Snorers on Steroids" were able to synchronize their bugling ala "Dueling Banjos" while sleeping.

Allen can now add "Dually" to "Bushwhack" on his list of aliases. The Les Schwab testimonial will follow soon /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Karl gets the "Independent Man of Action Award" for attending despite his girl friend's questioning his judgement. "Let's
see if I understand this. You're going to drive completely across the state of Oregon and into the mountains in Washington in serious winter conditions to go into a remote backcountry location in deep snow and cold with a bunch of guys you've never met who are armed with guns, knives and axes! Right ?!" Hey that's why he's a Hotshot! /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Super Badger took all the ribbing with a good attitude, and by the end of the trip was even dishing out a little of his own!

A humble thanks to all who said they liked the chili. At a critical point in the cooking I went upstairs and got lost in the Kifaru MB until I smelled something burning..oh shoot! If you all are brave and trusting enough to have me bring it again I promise it will have more flavor and less afterburn. FWIW the bull elk who contributed the meat for the chili used to live about 10 miles from our camp sites and came out of the back country in the same Longhunter I packed my gear in on this trip.

The picture of Evan's latrine does not nearly do it justice. It was very functional, however; I'd give it a 10 for artistic merit! Sheltered under large evergreen boughs it was also a great "hide" for observing the occassional passing skier. On Sunday morning I was in it half squatting when a couple skiied by completely unaware of the large man just a few yards away silently(?) doing a wild bear in the woods imitation.

Karl and Super Badger easily won promotion from "Pilgrim" to "Regular" for the next Rondy. They also earned the white snowflake cluster for attending a Winter Rondy first.

Everyone was just great about pitching in and getting all of the camp work done smoothly. Everything just flowed naturally - what a great bunch of guys!

02-05-2008, 09:50 PM
Hey guys,

Sorry for the delay in posting. I was busy watching Red Dawn ("avenge me! avenge meeeee!") and recovering from last nights festivities. Here's my shots!

Allen and Buck shortly after the "chain incident"

After a short head scratching session, we decided to park the truck and pulk/pack it in to the first nights camp. Little did we know, we had already passed the other guys. Evin and Scot eventually came and found us and saved us from some trekking


Once we got to camp, Allen's 8-man was set up, and we processed some wood for his stove.

Evin and Buck cut wood, while Scot "supervises"

Evin threatening to take that hand axe out of the sheath if I don't come and help cut wood


After the wood was cut and the stove was fired up, the crew sat around swapping stories and cooking up some dinner

Allen picked up some steaks on the way to the Rondy, and was kind enough to let Buck and I in on the goods- they were awesome! With some tasty lasagna on the side


Buck, probably explaining the length of a proper stake-setback for a paratipi...


Allen making some adjustments to the tipi liner

The next day, we took our time getting ready before heading out to the second spot. After a short jaunt to work the bugs out on our gear, we loaded up the pulks and packs and headed out to the next campsite

Karl stopping for a look around at campsite #2- we ended up camping right over by that tree that's just off his left shoulder

We got our spot stamped out and set up, and then we pretty much just lounged around camp for the rest of the day basking in the heat of the large stove!

The infamous "Badger Hole" AKA my paratipi

A rare view inside the badger hole

My parastove and Snowpeak mini-solo pot

The next day we broke camp and headed into the small town of Trout Lake for some lunch

Looks like Evin is pretty excited for that burger, Buck is still deciding between fries or coleslaw

Scot puzzled at the concept of the veggie burger, off screen Allen is trying to decide if he wants to look at the menu, or Mule Deer magazine (which had some great photos)

This was a fantastic trip. It marked my first official Kifaru Rondy, and it certainly won't be my last! It's amazing how we can all manage to come together and have a great time out in the woods. Definitely as solid a group of people as you will find anywhere. Evin, thanks again for that birthday cake! And Allen, thanks again for providing transportation and for bringing your 8 man along! Buck, thanks for the chilli and corn bread! It was the perfect meal for a trip in the snow. And on the topic of foods, Karl knows how to make some MEAN chocolate/raspberry muffins! Scot, maybe one of these days I will make a trip down to Bend and we can plink some steel at the range! It was good to see everyone, I look forward to the trip this summer!


Buck W
02-06-2008, 07:52 AM
+1 on Karl's chocolate/raspberry mufffins!

02-06-2008, 08:08 AM
another nugget of wisdom -- not every story that has a swedish exchange student in it is a complete fabrication.

02-06-2008, 09:01 AM
Good one! /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Yet another pearl...before heading out to play in the snow, make absodamnlutely certain that the heavy duty v-rib chains that Les Schwab sells you for your 1-ton pickup are not made for a dually.

02-06-2008, 10:24 AM
dually noted!

02-06-2008, 11:16 AM
Bushcraft the chains are why you needed me there, I happen to know that you put half on the front and half on the back!!! oops

Woods Walker
02-06-2008, 07:14 PM
I have some” Badger Hole” questions. Is that paracord on the zipper? I was thinking about something like that when hanging out in the front so I don’t have to stretch to reach the zipper. How well does the Parastove heat the shelter?


Are those Glock mags on the belt? Guessing the extra ammo would be used for personal defense judging by the crowd invading your tipi. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif I see a glint of OCD in your eye during the adjustment of the liner. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

02-06-2008, 07:24 PM
Hey woods, that is indeed paracord on the zipper, however I'll have to give the credit to Seadug for that one, he owned the shelter prior to me and must have added it on there himself.

I think the parastove does a good job heating the shelter. I didn't actually burn it for very long on this trip, since I spent most of the time basking in the heat of Allens 8-man, but nevertheless, when I fired it up I got it warm enough to dry out the condensation around the face opening on my sleeping bag...

02-06-2008, 08:06 PM
DP- What's all the 2x4 bracing around the footing forms for?

02-06-2008, 10:06 PM

Yep, them'r tupperware mags. 46 rounds of 10mm on hand ready to rain down fire and brimstone on any REI-clad cross country skiers that attempted a "ski-by". Maybe 75 more in reserve elsewhere. None of which proved to be necessary. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

02-07-2008, 07:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ken</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DP- What's all the 2x4 bracing around the footing forms for? </div></div>

Best way I could think of to hold up the "L" shaped horizontal rebar temporarily. I suppose I could have just used a few diagonal pieces of rebar and sort of built a self-supporting rebar grid starting at one end. All of the "L" pieces have the legs pointing one direction, so it had the potential to be a floppy mess. This just seemed easier.

Anyhow the footing pour was this past week, now I just have to add the 9' 6" vertical rebar grid and form the wall up.

04-23-2008, 03:36 PM
My excuse continues, a progress report of sorts.

A reveal with embedded slabs my rockhound grandfather cut:


They will be polished with a water-cooled diamond polisher.

A section where I used some ferns to create a pattern:


Tools embedded on the interior wall:


Last year's deer spine embedded for another detail:


04-23-2008, 03:47 PM
DP, cool progress report. The artistic details on your construction project reveal - dare I say it - a bohemian aspect to your personality I wouldn't have guessed /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

04-24-2008, 02:23 PM
A natural structural element very nice touch. A lot of work for you.

04-24-2008, 05:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: disillusionedpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Best way I could think of to hold up the "L" shaped horizontal rebar temporarily.</div></div>

Gothca!...nice looking wall!