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RjSteed
09-21-2005, 01:28 AM
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=123&t=391890

Gizzmo
09-21-2005, 04:27 AM
Well thought out set up.

BoulderTroll
09-21-2005, 08:48 AM
Nice RJ! /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

A DOD firearms instructor I knew once said told a group of my coworkers that if he ever got in a gunfight he'd want to be standing next to me...he was giving me crap about how much ammo I always carried with me. I'd stuff all my pouches and when they were full I'd dump loose ammo into all my cargo pockets:).

RJ, If I ever got lost after a major disaster, I'd want to camp with you /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

marmob
09-21-2005, 09:27 AM
Great job RJ /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
This is how a good pack looks like
Nice pics to very clear, and BoulderTroll
Your right this is the guy that you want by
Your side when trouble starts!

Great job :p

Ralph
09-21-2005, 01:39 PM
Well thought out and nicely done and organized. I'm in the process of rebuilding my own kits and will get some ideas from your list.

In addition to spare clothing I carry in my pack, I also keep a set in the truck, packed in SpaceBags for compression and waterproofing. I figure I may not always be dressed appropriately for the conditions.

I also have heavier gear (axe, saw, e-tool, snow shovel etc. in the truck for ready use. If I have to abandon the vehicle, I figure I can cache the heavier gear and return later.

The radio I use is an AM/FM/SW solar charged with dynamo. One thing I read reported many times during Katrina was that most peole had no portable radio and were clueless about what was happening. Amazing considering that $5-10 portable radios are readily available. But then, fortune seems to smile on the efficient.

P.S. My stored clothing is new or nearly new. Don't make the mistake of packing worn out junk. In extreme conditions you need as much durability as you can get.

panzertroop
09-22-2005, 12:52 AM
Very nice set-up. I am working on the same set-up as well. How do you like the scout piggybacked to the zulu? Have you hiked it yet? I am also going to attach a wide load to the top of my zulu. Thanks for sharing!

bmstrong
09-22-2005, 06:24 AM
Where did you get the "metal strap management" for your Scout?

Gizzmo
09-22-2005, 07:18 AM
Also where did you locate the SDS Canteen/Utility pouches ?
Thanks !

Forest522
09-23-2005, 09:06 AM
Well done, you spent a lot of time planning this out. Bet the kit weighs several pounds more with addition of water though.
Thanks for effort, great post!

Jedi
10-20-2005, 12:44 PM
I also posted this on the original AR15 thread...
--
Rj, Excellent setup!! One of the best I've ever seen. I'm going to take ideas from you

I recently decided to get something top of the line for a serious bob instead of the random crap I have in my truck. My survival kit has been torn apart and fallen into dissarray over the years. Its time to fix that.

My line of thinking has brought me to this as a generality.

Ultimate goal: Full on bob/backpacking/camping/survial kit. Something that would sustain for 72 hours or more that is ready to go. Also having something for everyday, in the truck, day hike type thing.

I was looking at a possibility of a Camelbak BFM and HAWG for BOB and GBH bags respectively. I was recently turned onto Kifaru and I am excited like I was wanting a red rider bb gun for christmas. There are so many options I don't know which would be best. I've never seen, worn, or felt any of the Kifaru packs. I've been drooling over the website and am not sure which one(s) to get. The options with Kifaru are amazing and I think just might fill the bill (and the credit card.) Having the smaller bag perfectly assimilate into the bigger one and essentially become one instantly and with no redundancy is really peaking my interest.

The way you went with the Pointman and Scout as the smaller bare essential E&E is very similar to what I was thinking. I've started to think that the Pointman or the Zulu for the big one, and the Scout or E&E for the small one. But I can't decide! The more I look the more I'm looking like my girlfriend in a clothing store, I want em all.

What do you think of the Zulu?
Do you have any experience with the Zulu?
Can you make a comparison or suggestion between the Zulu and Pointman?

I'm really torn between the two. I'm leaning toward the Zulu for it's ability to expand and contract. I don't think I really care about the Pointman opening at the bottom which seems to be the real advantage besides being slightly bigger. With the Zulu being able to stretch out though is it really smaller?

The Pointman comes with belt while the Zulu needs to be added. The Zulu is still cheaper tho. I wonder if I went Zulu/Scout and bought one omni padded belt if I could use the belt with the Scout and then just transfer it onto the Zulu when I melded them?

I'm looking for a system to fit my needs from anything including but not limited to: everyday in the truck, day hike, range, camping w truck, backpack camping, true SHTF bob.

Mel
10-20-2005, 12:58 PM
Hey Jedi, where you at in Cali? I'm out here also on the Central coast in Capitola. If you're anywhere near me, you can come and check ALL the Kifaru gear in person at my place.

Mel

medic16
10-20-2005, 01:11 PM
Mel, How far are you from Fresno, CA? I will be there next week for a medical class.

Mel
10-20-2005, 02:21 PM
medic16, it's probably a little less than 2 hours from me. I haven't been to Fresno in quite awhile, so I forget exactly how long it takes. Give me a call if you can make it out to the coast, and we'll set up a meet here at my place. Call me at 866-308-1911 day or night. Hope to see you out here.

Mel

Jedi
10-20-2005, 03:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Mel:
Hey Jedi, where you at in Cali? I'm out here also on the Central coast in Capitola. If you're anywhere near me, you can come and check ALL the Kifaru gear in person at my place.

Mel </div></div>Wow Mel that is such a gracious offer! I really appreciate that.

I will definately take you up on that.

I live in up in Livermore so I'm about 1.5 hours away. I could make the trip down there perhaps next weekend, perhaps Friday or Sunday. Though it is the weekend before Halloween so perhaps another weekend would be better.

Just let me know when a good time would be for you. Once we tentatively figure out which weekend would be good we can work out the details via phone.

Your offer is infinitly more help than I expected when I posted that

I was expecting a couple comments or a discussion on the differences. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

Again, thanks!

Tiredude
10-20-2005, 04:05 PM
Don't suppose someone could display the pics from the AR15 site of the packed Pointman for me? Thanks to the computer nazis, I can't go to it. I can't even go to Lightfighter forum! Oh the humanity!
Thanks

Tiredude

Woods Walker
10-20-2005, 04:16 PM
If its ok with Rj I could save the picks and put them on this board. Rj must be in a warmer place than I. My pack has some more winter gear but nice job. RJ ever consider An alcohol stove rather than the sterno? Ti sporks is #1 in my book too.

SDS Canten Utility pouches holds a Nalgene bottle 1 liter? Thanks I didn't know that. I may change out my GI ones. Learned something new. Glad you posted your pack info.

Tiredude
10-20-2005, 06:04 PM
Thanks Walker. I need some motivation to help me along. I'm thinking real hard about buying a Pointman anyway, I think this will push me over the Kifaru edge.
Besides, where I am, stuff like this is all there is to look at!

Thanks
Tiredude

Woods Walker
10-20-2005, 06:16 PM
If Rj says it's ok I will be more than happy to do it. I just don't want to be Disrespectful to him and post his stuff without getting the ok first.

Mel
10-20-2005, 06:52 PM
Hey Jedi, next weekend should work for me. Friday the 28th would be good if you could make it. Give me a call 866-308-1911 and we can work out the logistics.

Mel

Smackdaddyj
10-21-2005, 06:21 AM
Jedi--

Just my .02 on your options. I have had the Zulu with E&amp;E and 2 long pockets. Packed it to about 65lbs. It did not carry the weight the way I had hoped, so I sold it and upgraded to the EMR, never looked back. The EMR is stellar. That being said, a buddy of mine has the Pointman. He does not put the weight into it that I have in my EMR, but the suspension is definately superior to the Zulu. That is one MAJOR thing to keep in mind (in my opinion), The Zulu, Marauder, Express, Scout, all use the Omni Suspension. The Pointman, Navgator are upgraded and the MMR/EMR are upgraded again. If I were going to carry enough gear for a BOB in one of the packs you put as an option, I would go with the Pointman and Scout Option. Another thing I noticed with the Zulu was that adding weight to the Back (E&amp;E Pouch loaded up) caused the pack to become unbalanced to me. Your milage may vary, but the upgraded suspension seems to cure this problem.

With the E&amp;E/Scout Option, I chose the Scout after having the E&amp;E with the Zulu. I like the E&amp;E and I am tempted to get another one, but for the purpose of a LBV replacement type of pack, the Scout acts as a VERY nice butt pack and you can add pockets to the waist belt with PALS and Powerpull. The E&amp;E has no ability to add a belt or the pockets that would attach to it. They both have their purpose and they are both very nice accessories, but the primary purpose of the pack dictated the Scout for me. I will probably be adding the E&amp;E as another external pocket with a wealth of options.

Just my input. Hope this helps in your decision.

Smackdaddyj

Smackdaddyj
10-21-2005, 06:24 AM
Another aside --

The network that I am using for the internet is wonderfully liberal and they are not allowing me on the AR-15 website because it has to do with "weapons." So if someone could post those pics here, that would be wonderful.

I am going to torture the network administrator now.

Smackdaddyj

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by panzertroop:
Very nice set-up. I am working on the same set-up as well. How do you like the scout piggybacked to the zulu? Have you hiked it yet? I am also going to attach a wide load to the top of my zulu. Thanks for sharing! </div></div>I took this pack out in Dec on 5 mile hike and camped over night. On my return hike I found that the scout did pull backward on the pack. I have since revamped a lil bit.

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by bmstrong:
Where did you get the "metal strap management" for your Scout? </div></div>Are you talking about the 100MPH tape?

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Gizzmo:
Also where did you locate the SDS Canteen/Utility pouches ?
Thanks ! </div></div>SDS's Web site.

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Forest522:
Well done, you spent a lot of time planning this out. Bet the kit weighs several pounds more with addition of water though.
Thanks for effort, great post! </div></div>This was a result of about 3 years in the makeing.

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Tiredude:
Don't suppose someone could display the pics from the AR15 site of the packed Pointman for me? Thanks to the computer nazis, I can't go to it. I can't even go to Lightfighter forum! Oh the humanity!
Thanks

Tiredude </div></div>Try this one, this is my site as of Nov 05

http://www.sosforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=39

Im guessing if you can get one to Kifaru you can get on there.

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Woods Walker:
If its ok with Rj I could save the picks and put them on this board. Rj must be in a warmer place than I. My pack has some more winter gear but nice job. RJ ever consider An alcohol stove rather than the sterno? Ti sporks is #1 in my book too.

SDS Canten Utility pouches holds a Nalgene bottle 1 liter? Thanks I didn't know that. I may change out my GI ones. Learned something new. Glad you posted your pack info. </div></div>If my link dosnt work for him, Ill just repot it here for him, its a simple copy paste deal.
Yes the SDS pouches will hold the 1 liter nalgenes.

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:38 AM
I apoligize for not having responded to your questions earlier, but working on my site has eaten up alot of time. Plus I had forgottenI posted this in here...

P.S. Mel I sent you an Email. From MrRjSteed@aol.com
Im wanting to get me another Parahooch, to work on a video review... I would like to do a video review of the the new EMR cover. However I can only get one or the other. Limeted funds these days...

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by BoulderTroll:
Nice RJ! /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

A DOD firearms instructor I knew once said told a group of my coworkers that if he ever got in a gunfight he'd want to be standing next to me...he was giving me crap about how much ammo I always carried with me. I'd stuff all my pouches and when they were full I'd dump loose ammo into all my cargo pockets:).

RJ, If I ever got lost after a major disaster, I'd want to camp with you /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>Jeez guys, lol I aint all that. Hell I learned from reading the same things you do.... /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:45 AM
Concept: Grab and Go bag.
Meaning I can grab this bag and take off. Provided I don't go to zub-zero temps I should be ok. Its a completely Modular system where I can remove the smaller packs and combine them into a smaller E&amp;E system if it comes to that.

Here is the Kifaru Pointman, with long pockets attached to each side.
A EMDOM Fatty WL secured to the top using MALICE clips
A Kifaru Scout piggy-backed to it.
Current weight is 47 lbs with no water. ( I may be missing something)

http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/ed73a83794fdc7a2a8ebfe207046ebe9.gif

Kifaru Scout: The Concept of the scout is a self contained essentials pack... Ultimately I live out of the scout when at camp. The main pack is more for change of clothes ( wash and wear) and cold weather.
Ive added SDS Canten Utility pouches to the sides.
Aswell as a Paraclete Small General Purpose pouch. (I plan on adding one more)
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/RjSteed/Pack2.jpg

Inside the Paraclete pouch:
Collins GEM SAS Pocket Survival Guide (Good book to have IMO)
Nature Bound Pocket Field Guide (edible plants)
Grundig Mini World 100 PE (Runs on 2 AA batts)
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/4dae7840721f47940dab46e588d3e8aa.jpg

(Left to right)
A Stainless Steal cup .5 liter ( dont recall the manuf.)
Nalgene bottle 1 liter w/Measurements in ounces and ML (works great for mixing Gookinaide)
MSR anual maintenance kit (spare "O" rings; Pre Filter etc.
Green Scrubby ( for field Maintenance on Ceramic Filter)
2 ounce "Viral Stop" Purifier Chlorine Solution
MSR Mini Works EX water filter with Sweetwater Silt stopper and storage sack
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/6165a94d7ce1f6e025e826380340e084.jpg

Also carry spare Ceramic filter kit
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/2e99ee0f6557e8abf5d57e1ff5514e80.jpg

(Left to right)
Silva Pocket Compass
Two First aide Dressings Bandages
A Swiss Mora knife
Day/ Night signal mirror (opposite side tinted red)
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/RjSteed/pack3.jpg

USGS TopoMap
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/551425a33627d78a31113f8cea447229.jpg
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/2b5318f3c4a440616c908c81d8233d16.jpg

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:46 AM
Since its not good to camp that close to a water source. I plan to use these for water trips. Ill have to leave camp less to have water.
MSR Dromadary Bag 10 Liter
MSR Dromadary bag 2 liter
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/f4ef8d8650affc86cf44d48d095dd973.jpg

(Left to right)
Snack size zip lock ( for storage and use with Survival Straw)
Survival Straw (I consider this my woodland Credit Card)
A Night Blaster LED Light (Runs on 3 AAA batts) [This will be changeing]
A bic lighter ( just in case, however this is not relied upon)
Esbit cooker (w/ four fuel bars stored inside)
Flint Steel Firestarter ( It does work very well)
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/RjSteed/e4a29042.jpg

Snow Peak Pot set with Small pan. ( So I can boil a good amount of drinking water as well)
A titanium spork ( I cant function without it)
Small can of Sterno Burns for 45 minutes) Ive used it to boil water and still has alot of time left...
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/RjSteed/eb78b703.jpg

Five days of food, I can carry extra in the Pointman if I choose:
Breakfast:
Oatmeal
Gookinaide Electrolytes

Lunch:
Trail Mix (will be separted into Snack sized Ziplocks)

Dinner:
Rice
Tuna
Hot Chocolate
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/RjSteed/4a171ea7.jpg

Packed for Space Saving
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/RjSteed/f7e476d6.jpg

Hygien kit:
Nail Clippers
Razor ( working on Stright Razor)
Toothbrush
Toothpaste
Comb
Packtowel
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/09ae599e887df09a8610d62a26080b26.jpg

Fishing Kit (Still much to be desired not worht showing yet)
100 ft of 550 Cord
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/2e25f8b27b5d124e8f56d3ea444dd508.jpg

Poncho and Ponch Liner (This is my makeshift sleep bag)
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/a94b18bdc43fd85ae9c9b4e4133b87a0.jpg

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:47 AM
The one thing I did not get pics of is the Four Bungee cords kept in a small Kiafaru Pullout


The contents of the Pointman: As I said this is mainly comfort items if you wanna look at it that way.

Carried in the Right side long pocket:
SPEAR Jacket
Fiskars 17" Axe
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/b1c6431c014f7dfb7a0aedd6b5531cb1.jpg

Carried in the Left Side Long Pocket:
Gore-Tex Parka
OD Knit cap
BlackHawk Hellstorm Winter Ops Gloves (These will change)
Mountain Hardwear Fleec Gloves
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/e8fe2a5d4542678a5ed1fddfe09abe56.jpg

Inside Extra large Kifaru Pullout: (Inside Pack)
One Bdu Top
One Bdu Trouser
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/fbfff5c30c6b78046da856e0f57ff2a2.jpg

Inside 2 Large Kifaru Pullout:
Two Under Armour Loose Gear Shirts
Two Under Armour Boxer Briefs (most comfy Undies I got)
Two Pair Wigwam Ingenious line socks (Never worn a more comfortable pair of socks)
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/d5829f5dfa1879663a0622283720cfa9.jpg

Inside a Large Kifaru Pullout:
PolyPro Top
PolyPro Bottom
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/64811be35ece0f913d0327b608f3cff2.jpg

Bottom of the Pack:
Wiggys Desert Sleep bag 2.5 lbs ( Rated for 30* temps) [Will be changing to Wiggys Superlite 4 lbs]
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/b103a87f82a89c1e72bb47e931e71739.jpg

Med Pack: EMDOM Fatty WL (Secured to top of Pointman)
Concept: removeable, can be carried as a shoulder bag or waist bag. Can also be attached to the Scout in E&amp;E.
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/df9b7e4e3d20eb18f938d4c5a27fe6fa.jpg

Contents:
02 - Blood Stoppers
02 - Bulky Guaze Dressing
03 - 4" Guaze Bandage
25 - 4"X4" Guaze Dressing pads
03 - Triangular Bandages
03 - 3" Elastic Bandages
02 - Petroleum Guaze
08 - Latex Gloves
02 - Combine ABD Pad 5X9
02 - Cold Packs
01 - Fast action card
01 - MoleSkin
01 - Germ X Hand sanitizer ( also use Purrel)
01 - Iodine Tincture
01 - Box of 10 Medicaine Swabs (sting and Bite)
01 - Box of 10 Amonia Inhalants
01 - Box of 10 Triple Biotic Medcated ointment
01 - Box of 10 P.V.D. Iodine wipes
01 - Box of 30 Cotton Swabs
01 - Snake Bite Kit
01 - Roll of 1 inch Adhesive tape
02 - Anti-Microbial Hand wipes
02 - Clean Towelets
20 - Alcohol wipes
01 - Tube Carmex lip balm
01 - Tube ACtivated Charcoal
01 - Bottel Deet
01 - Tube Anbesol
01 - Chap Stick
01 - Tube of Neospoin ( I know I have the Triple Biotic)
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/fe90f0d0a44aa16ee2be7391500230af.jpg

RjSteed
01-19-2006, 07:47 AM
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/0b8e8cd6e48c60a6777a7a45fcc795e1.jpg

100 ounce Water Bladder packed in its own pack so when removed it becomes part of the E&amp;E kit.
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/38db8e6fa6f11b23d8393844d2513dfb.jpg

Point man weighed 28.2 lbs no water
Scout weighed in at 17.2 lbs
Total of 45.4 lbs

morantheman
01-19-2006, 01:09 PM
That was beautifal...almost brought tears to my eyes. Your time and effort looks like it was well worth it. Good job!

DiabloDawg
01-19-2006, 02:06 PM
Great pics and writeup- we need to see more of this kind of stuff in the future- I need to do it as well.

RjSteed
01-22-2006, 02:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by DiabloDawg:
Great pics and writeup- we need to see more of this kind of stuff in the future- I need to do it as well. </div></div>I like to do this sort of thing, It helps people to get a better Idea of what things will do... As well as how they work together.

http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/c3d9bf650a07321aa511535586a01f32.jpg

http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/0678daaa354d19b2af29ec5b1a83828c.jpg

http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/9cf9f8514a3dbe15fd3f7cf8423a0d15.jpg

RjSteed
01-22-2006, 03:15 PM
http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/a9adefc9d820a20049c1d35ce81ec8c7.jpg
Now Im just getting picture happy...

http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/6e51da51557864758845884815fdd5f9.jpg

http://www.sosforums.com/album_mod/upload/3b3a025e6640502a39492fca8e0af648.jpg

ThePrepared_com
01-22-2006, 04:05 PM
RJSteed, that looks great. It appears that some on the AR board just dont understand quality!

Nathan C
01-22-2006, 04:09 PM
Does the Wideload ride weird at all on the lid? I'm not much for putting stuff on lids. They always seem to sway seperate if too back and you cant go prone or look up very well. It all looks good though.

RjSteed
01-22-2006, 04:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Nathan C:
Does the Wideload ride weird at all on the lid? I'm not much for putting stuff on lids. They always seem to sway seperate if too back and you cant go prone or look up very well. It all looks good though. </div></div>It didnt ride to wierd up there.

I do agree on the prone thing. Thats why since these pics I have moved it to just above the scout. Ill have pics comming up.

RjSteed
01-22-2006, 04:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by ThePrepared_com:
RJSteed, that looks great. It appears that some on the AR board just dont understand quality! </div></div>I think it more people are just set in theyre ways. Along with stuck in mindset of cheaper will work in the long run.

Nathan C
01-22-2006, 05:15 PM
Above the scout would have been my choice, but is there enough PALS on the Pointman to support it? Looks like you have only two maybe three rows open.

RjSteed
01-23-2006, 03:24 AM
Barely enough, I can use three strips but it sits cockeyed... So I have it set on two at the moment which lets it sit fine. The whole purose of it anyway is to be able to remove it in a rush anyway.

Im able to cut the Malice clips and use a bungee cors to attach it to my waist in a pinch. Ill have to see about finding a belt type solution for the Fatty Wl.

01-23-2006, 06:14 AM
GREAT thread RJ!!!!

Very inspiring. Think everyone should have a good BOB. You have help me organize mine even better. Thank you for that.

Res.

RjSteed
01-23-2006, 11:38 AM
Your welcome, glad I could help with some ideas...Sadly its an ever growing concpet, lol
There are always new things better lighter, more useful..
I recently achieved my HAM radio license, still waiting on the Call sign to come through. But that should improve my BOB ten fold for "Signal"

ThePrepared_com
01-24-2006, 07:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by RjSteed:
Your welcome, glad I could help with some ideas...Sadly its an ever growing concpet, lol
There are always new things better lighter, more useful..
I recently achieved my HAM radio license, still waiting on the Call sign to come through. But that should improve my BOB ten fold for "Signal" </div></div>Congrats on passing your test! Nice having that alternate form of communication! Also, be sure to check out Echolink when you have your call sign.

What radio do you plan on picking up?

RjSteed
01-25-2006, 05:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by ThePrepared_com:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by RjSteed:
Your welcome, glad I could help with some ideas...Sadly its an ever growing concpet, lol
There are always new things better lighter, more useful..
I recently achieved my HAM radio license, still waiting on the Call sign to come through. But that should improve my BOB ten fold for "Signal" </div></div>Congrats on passing your test! Nice having that alternate form of communication! Also, be sure to check out Echolink when you have your call sign.

What radio do you plan on picking up? </div></div>I already had a Yeasu VXr6, been planning on this for sometime. Im hopeing to get my Call before friday....Ive read about echo link, dosnt really appeal to me all that much. But Im sure Ill be on there eventually...

ZS Gunny
01-26-2006, 03:36 PM
RJ,

Nice set up. With regards to your medi-kit I would add:

Sutures: they're small and thin and could be stuck anywhere in your pack.

More tape: Those Johnson and Johnson waterproof tape things are cute, but they're really fairly subpar tape. When dealing with trauma in the field, you're going to want lots and lots of tape. Besides that, hell, it's cheap.

Quik Clot: I saw you mentioned 'blood stoppers' but I was unsure if this was what you ment. I have two packets of 1.75oz Quik Clot buddy secured to two compression bandages. In a pinch (eg you were just shot/cut badly) you can grab most everything you need to save your or someone else's life.

Salene eye flush solution: not eyedrops, but some sort of flush solution that has numerous uses in the field. Can be found at Wal-Mart or your local pharmacy.

Keyopectate or Immodium AD: no real explanation needed here, but crucial if you're bugging out.

I also see no pain killers what so ever. You can pick up a hundred count of asprin for $.99 at CVS.

There's a few other additions I would make, but I think this post has ran on a bit long. Cheers champ.

RjSteed
01-26-2006, 05:54 PM
ZS Gunny,
Thank you for the additions.
I was planning gon picking up sutures, just havent seen them when Im thinking about them. Ill be makeing a stop at CVS next week to pick-up a couple more bandages... So I'll be sure to grab them there.
As for the Tape, I do have more. I just have to keep the pack weight somewhat resonable.

A Friend I know here, who has medic/ EMS experience suggested to me that I keep majority of med in a permanant location that I can get to at a later time. So Plan to have pre-stocked supplies elsewhere hopefully.

Quick clot isnt something Im very impressed with for the cost. Be more of a good buy purchase. Iuse blood stopper bandages.

Saline eye solution, Wow!!! I used to have it in the pack as well.. Granted a while back I ended up getting an eye infection....LOL
Man is that stuff helpful. It helped to pass my infection faster, and less painfuly... I need to make sure an replenish that one for sure. Thank you for reminding me of that!
I have recently added Immodium AD, Benadryll as well as Naproxen and IBuprofin..

Please feel free to post your other ideas. If there is something I can or should add I would really like ot know about it.

ZS Gunny
01-26-2006, 06:10 PM
With regards to your food: You don't have enough calories. While the tuna packets are fairly easy to pack (light and thin) the small packets only have 170 calories total. That's not near enough. I would pack a few packets of Mainstay food cubes which can sustain you for quite a while.

Multi-vitamins: In a bug out situation you're not going to be getting the vitamins and nutrients you'd want.

Glucose Tablets: These are first aid/food items. I bought a tube of these (think two film canisters end to end for the size) for $2 at Wal-Mart. These can be used to treat diabetics in addition to providing quick energy should you feel sluggish in the field. Glucose is what fires your brain, feeding it directly always increases stamina and morale.

As for the price: I bought my Quik Clot off of <a href="http://www.supplycaptain.com" target="_blank">http://www.supplycaptain.com (http://www.supplycaptain.com)</a> for $27 delivered. That's roughly half of the cost of one of your Under Armour shirts (of which I have a several including the boxer briefs).

Super Glue: Adhesive, repair material, suture in a pinch. It's also compact and cheap.

Rite in the rain tablet and a space pen: good for keeping a running journal of your daily events in order to learn from your actions/mistakes.

Tweezers or a good set of forceps. Again, small, compact and vital.

Extra shoe lace that fits your main boots. You can use para-cord if your grommets are large enough.

Zip-Ties/Duct Tape

Good call on the MSR bags. I purchased the 10L a while back and it works like a champ for a camp bladder as well as a shower when placed in the direct sunlight for a few hours.

Hope that helps a little.

Brad

Hanzo
01-26-2006, 06:18 PM
With all due respect, the Rite in the rain tablets could be left out. I just use map pens on the back of a map and if it's important stuff, I transfer it when I get back to something more permanent.

Edited to add that this only works if your map is laminated...which it should be.

Nathan C
01-26-2006, 06:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by ZS Gunny:
Glucose Tablets: These are first aid/food items. I bought a tube of these (think two film canisters end to end for the size) for $2 at Wal-Mart. These can be used to treat diabetics in addition to providing quick energy should you feel sluggish in the field. Glucose is what fires your brain, feeding it directly always increases stamina and morale.


</div></div>Just a side note, you may get a short burst of quick energy, but you'll also crash afterwards, unless sustained.

Also I would suggest Quick-clot as almost a last resort. It will burn anything it comes in contact with, so use at your own risk.

We use saline on the ambulance for everything, including flushing eyes. Just a thought of one item for multi-uses.

RjSteed
01-28-2006, 09:26 PM
ZS Gunny: I can see what your saying, and I do have the USCG rations which I do believe are the same as the mainstays. I just believe the USCG Rations to heavy and to sugary to take on this trip.

Is there anything you might suggest, that I can pick up at the local grocery store to add. That will be light and provide a different nutrition level for me.

I have thought about the multi-vitamins, just havent put all that much though into it. As to which ones I should get. Im wondering if I could go with something like a daily suppliment.

As for the glucose tabs: I have to agree with Nathan C on that. I dont want to put myself in a situation where I have lost/ expended all energy due to a quick burst. I used to carry lemmon drops for this reason. but took them out because they went against my Preventive Medicine ideas.

Im still agains the quick clot, for reasons of cost, and the burning sensations I have heard about from many. Mabye eventually Ill get a wholesale account through them, when I get my store goin.

Never thought about the Super glue, I like that one alot. As long as I can avoid past expereinces.. lol /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

I do bring small memorandum books usually, and keep them in small zip locks. Figure its easier and less axpensive to save my thought till Im in a dry enviroment.

Tweezers: I do have them. I just forgot to pull them out of the medical bag evidently.

I will be adding some zip-ties, and duct tape with your suggestion.

Thank you,
I have till tues evening, if you or anyone else can think of something on the food.

Thanks Hanzo, and Nathan C

okiwen
01-29-2006, 09:14 AM
REI recently had the Quick Clot for $19.00. My guess is the burning sensation would be little price to pay next to the 'bleeding-out' sensation you might feel. I saw a website that had it for $15.00 but I cannot find it right now. I'll try to post when I do find it.

Super glue works great for cuts and such. I was always told that surgery was its original use.

okiwen
01-29-2006, 09:17 AM
Oh, by the way RJ...Great Posts! Learned alot from your photos and your lists. Keep it up. I have passed this thread on to others at work.

ZS Gunny
01-30-2006, 05:59 PM
I'll agree that I'd rather suffer a disfiguring burn than be stuffed into a box.

As far as grocery store food, if you're going to go that route, most will carry protein bars and meal replacement bars. One thing to note is, with high protein bars, you're going to be thirsty while on the trail, so plan ahead with a good water supply.

I keep a few Mil-Spec MRE's (if you're a civie like me, think EBAY) broken down into various components in my kit. They're quick, easy to eat and small when you break them out of their main packaging.

With regards to the multi-vitamin, I know a few guys who carry a whole bottle, double stuffed with cotton as to not rattle and I also know guys who are just carrying a few in a zip-lock. The choice as to which brand is totally up to you, but they all do the same job essentially. There's no real need to go crazy with the most expensive brand here.

Regarding the glucose tablets, I was intending them to be short term energy mainly. I neglected to remember how groggy I felt on the trail after taking one, sorry about that.

I also carry a few HOOAH bars to munch on. These are plesent tasting (compared to Powerbar) and seem to have a bit more 'energy' than the others. The 10g of protein also helps to cut hunger.

Just a few thoughts. Feel free to email me at bdeauman@gmail.com. Cheers.

ThePrepared_com
04-10-2006, 10:33 AM
So I gather that quick-clot is the equivelant of Rambo igniting gun powder in a wound. /images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Are there any other negative effects?

eggroll
04-10-2006, 11:51 AM
no it is not THAT dramatic.

but it would be advisable to wear wraparound EYE pro when dispensing QC in a dynamic/windy environment. This is one of the contributing factors to Zmedica creating Quicklot ACS

EGG

eggroll
04-10-2006, 11:53 AM
http://www.z-medica.com/quikclot/hemostat_quikclot.asp